Mayweather would'nt do any better against a 170 pound Mayorga..

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    same fight as everyone else. floyd was outjabbed and outworked. oscar wasn't landing many clean shots but not many beats none. mayweather was too busy smiling and hanging out in his shell to do anything but throw away rounds. he did good work with the straight right but when he opened up, he found de la hoya's (superior) jab waiting for him.
     
  2. Jorodz

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    rewatching it i gave 1 round in the last 6 to oscar but 116-112 is probably more accurate
     
  3. BENNY BLANCO

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    Well we all know how cliche this is but this is a case where styles make fights. Oscar style is not to make a fight ugly like in the case with Mayorga against Mosley, in the fight as Jimmie mentioned Mayo was wrestling, rabbit punching Shane and Shane still managed to KO him. Mayorga of the Mosley fight would make Floyd work very hard to get that UD win cause nothing Floyd will throw at him will make him hesitant to keep going forward.
     
  4. bald_head_slick

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    I am just kidding. I really think Oscar didn't look bad, but he never looked in control. The only rounds he won were gift rounds on aggression not effective aggression. Rabbit punches? Not really.

    He looked baffled.
     
  5. bald_head_slick

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    I was being a bit silly, but I admit Oscar wasn't looking bad. He just didn't look effective IMHO. The cards showed he was getting gifts.
     
  6. BigReg

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    He did not outbox Mayweather after 6 rounds. He wasn't even landing punches. Flurrying and hitting air and elbows is not outboxing someone.


    Very much relevant, Hoya is clearly a superior fighter to Mayorga.


    He's shown he can be effective even with a massive weight disadvantage, which would minimize the positive effect that Mayorga's weight would possess.


    If you're not impressed with clean punching, defense, and ring generalship, and instead are impressed with arm punches that don't land, then your're right.


    De La Hoya is a taller, longer boxer, with a great jab, good power, and showed good defense as well. That's the type of guy you would expect to be able to beat a guy like Floyd.

    We saw De La Hoya(who was trained by Mayweather Sr.) thoroughly outbox Mayorga. Mosley, has no defense, no head movement, wings his punchs, and uses little lateral movement. That will give a slugger like Mayorga a chance. Mayorga's wide, slow ass punches, would be picked off by Mayweather all night. Mayweather actually knows something about defense, and angles. He's a great counterpuncher. He would pick Mayorga apart all night long.
     
  7. Jorodz

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    that's fair:good oscar rarely landed a decent shot but i wouldn't call those rounds gifts... more of a case of floyd losing them by doing nothing than oscar winning them dominantly
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Who do you think was training Oscar when he fought Mayorga?
     
  9. BENNY BLANCO

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    Okay and your point being???
     
  10. Rumsfeld

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    So how did you score the fight?

    I gave you my breakdown:

    58-56 Oscar through 6.

    116-112 for Floyd over 12.

    Are you saying you agree with me?
     
  11. BigReg

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    You claimed Oscar did better than Mosley against Mayorga because of the style he employed. However, Oscar was trained by Mayweather Sr. in that fight. Oscar was fighting in that Mayweather style. Now I'm no expert, but I would have to believe that Mayweather Jr. would be more effective with that style than De La Hoya. Now of course Mayweather's size and punching power wouldn't allow him to obliterate Mayorga in 6 rounds like Hoya, but his style would definately allow him to win a comfortable decision. He sure as hell wouldn't be down after 10 rounds like Mosley.
     
  12. Rumsfeld

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    Who was winning after 6 in your view? Oscar or Floyd?

    I agree with this, but it doesn't mean Mayorga wouldn't have been a tougher style match-up for Floyd.

    Oscar is a superior fighter who was already a part time fighter known for fading badly down the stretch. This was something everyone already knew going into the fight.

    Oscar had notoriously poor stamina.

    I disagree. Mayorga had better endurance down the stretch. He also had more power. This makes him more dangerous for Floyd, IMHO.

    So you don't think Oscar was winning after six?

    How did you score the fight?

    Why did you totally ignore my point on this one?
    :huh

    What does this have to do with the fact Oscar is known to fade badly down the stretch?

    Maybe.

    We've never seen Floyd fight a bigger guy who weighed 170. Saying he can handle it and seeing him actually do it are two different things.

    :smoke
     
  13. bald_head_slick

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    Again, ODLH did NOT look bad. He was a bigger man and at his ideal weight. He did great work and I don't in anyway think he got shut out. I am exaggerating a bit, but I really believe that was a UD. 115-113? Really?

    He just couldn't crack that defense.
     
  14. Jorodz

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    :hatat one point i scored it a draw

    i think the most fair score is 116-112 but there was a round in the final six (can't remember which, i think maybe the 11th) that could swing oscar's way.

    overall floyd dominated the fight, scoring almost every decisive and relevant blow. but fights aren't scored that way and round by round, oscar made it close
     
  15. bald_head_slick

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    Yep. I think your score is correct. I would even say 115-113 FMJ is acceptable if a person just likes aggression, but IMHO it was easily a UD.

    I will have to score it again, because I usually don't score when I watch with buddies.

    Earlier I was just being an a$$. :good