Faber ............... is he still a P4P entry ???

It's really hard to get a read on any of these WEC guys. At first it looked like Faber was the real deal P4P type guy, then he loses twice to Brown. Then everyone assumes that Brown is just that much of a stone cold badass. Then he loses two straight. Then some people think that it was just a too cocky/got caught/broken hand thing and Faber really was the real deal and he gets destroyed by Aldo. While all of this is going on, Miguell Torres goes from being top 5 P4P to losing two in a row.

Now, of course everyone loses in this sport at some point, but it's really hard to tell if all of these guys are just that good that even the best will lose if they're a bit off of their game or if they're all actually mediocre and only look good in comparison to each other.

 

When Penn lost 3 of 4, nobody dared suggest removing him from the pound for pound leaderboard.

Hell, he's 6-5 in his last eleven (possibly to be 6-6 in twelve come August), and nobody would even dream of it now. It'd be sacrilege.

Wilhelm, your argument could just as easily be applied to the UFC.

How do we know Chuck Liddell was ever any good, having lost 4 of 5? Just because he had the number of the highly regarded Ortiz? Ortiz has a lousy record, and hasn't won since a pair of wins over the overrated and over-the-hill Shamrock in 2006!

See?

Faber has talent that is cream of the crop in the world at his weight in his sport. Any blind fool could see that.

 

No, I wouldn't say so. He's arguably the 3rd or maybe even the 4th best FW in WEC.

 

And what promotion has featherweight talent of a caliber that you'd favor over any of those 3 or 4 top guys in the WEC?

I'm still not convinced Faber wouldn't beat Brown a couple of times if they took it to a best-of-5.

 

If you're going to ask the question, Is Faber a P4P entry RIGHT NOW?....then you have to look at his standing amongst his peers right now. If you move up a class, would he be a top 5 guy at LW? I don't think so myself. I like Faber, but at the moment he can't be in that conversation.

 

Much like the void left after Jones were Tarver and Johnson were tearing it up. Truth is they are average and the people they were beating are worse. Then decent skills and talent came along like Hopkins, Calzaghe and Dawson and the division took a step up.

 

That has nothing to do with anything.

God damn Manny Pacquiao. He's produced millions of misconceptions about what the term "pound for pound" actually means.

Reverting to my original statement - Faber has a talent base that is not only among the best in active MMA Featherweights, but probably somewhere in the top 20 period in the sport (meaning relative to the weight they fight at, meaning p4p).

 

sorry this is out of topic but penn not in the elite class?atsch

 

I thought that as well. It is sad that MMA fans are becoming as fickle as boxing fans.

 

I see your point, but the difference is that because the UFC has been around for so long and making sure that the best available fight the best available that I have a lot more faith that Liddell really was one of the very top 205ers in the world when he was the champ. There had been a well established record of 205ers in known big organizations for many years whereas for the lower weights this wasn't the case. Torres has an amazing record, but because it wasn't against guys that were known to be at or near the top (the way Oritiz and Belfort and Couture were when Liddell beat them) then I don't know if that's because he was that good or because he was fighting lesser guys. Of course, it may be that the best at 135 really were fighting each other and I'm just ignorant of it, but without the television contracts I doubt there'd be the money and other incentives for guys to travel across the US or world to fight at a small show.

Bottom line, of course Torres could be a top P4P fighter who just happened to get caught twice in a row. But him, and Brown, AND Faber? Three guys that were considered to be way way up there and then lose multiple times in a short period? It seems more likely to me that it's unclear who is really good than that they all just got super unlucky at the same time.

 

He his exinting and got talent but i doubt he would get that belt back. Maybe if Aldo drop his belt like he said he will do to claim another title in another division!

 

yes but they should fight well first