Does any version of Foreman beat Jimmy Young?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Muchmoore, Apr 29, 2010.


  1. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    I'm not sold the Young who beat Foreman would of lost to ANY version of Foreman. Even if it was the George that pummelled Smokin Joe, he'd still be up against the best spoiler in heavyweight history.

    Thoughts?

    BTW I think very, very highly of Jimmy Young when at his best. He schooled Lyle TWICE, schooled Shavers but was screwed out of the win, and imo edged the Ali fight but it was a closer fight than some say. I think Jimmy Young would of given most HW's in history all they could handle.
     
  2. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman did a fair job of handling Peralta in their second fight, stopping him in the late rounds. If there's any performance that indicates he could beat a clever boxer like Young, it's this fight. I never saw the fight though so I can't really say.
     
  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Foreman of 73 would stop Young.
     
  4. Muchmoore

    Muchmoore Guest

    What are your reasons why?

    Young was super, super durable and only stopped by Shavers very early in his career and against Cooney which was caused by a cut.

    He twice went the distance with Lyle without being in serious trouble, went the distance with Foreman himself, went the distance with Shavers in a rematch, absorbed an inhuman amount of punishment from Cooney without going down, went 10 with Jose Luis Garcia, 15 with Norton. Later on in his career when he didn't even try he went the distance with Dokes, Tucker and was never stopped in all of his many losses post Norton except for the cut caused stoppage vs. Cooney.

    Young is one of the hardest guys to knock out in HW history, I think. Not saying 73 Foreman can't do it but how do you see the fight going?
     
  5. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    you're absolutely right.. In my opinion, Young is the perfect boxer to outpoint foreman. his elusiveness and durability are the key in this fight. he dodged a lot of foreman's shots by dodging them and jabbing back. that counter right hand is as good as a right hand you can get. ANDDD, let's not forget, the way you beat foreman is not by outslugging him, but by using lateral movement and BOXING him. Morrison did it, holyfield did it, and young did it.
    he also beat Ali ;) (IMO)
     
  6. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    It is possible as Foreman did have Young in deep trouble at least a couple of times during their fight.

    75% of the time I would choose Young whose style is poison for Foreman to deal with.
     
  7. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's not forget that Shavers had Young seriously hurt in their second fight (where Young was close to his prime form) until Shavers traditionally ran out of gas.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Film would seem to support another Young victory. But Foreman was a great fighter and you never know.
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Young didn't win by much and was in bad trouble at one point.It's not that much of a stretch to imagine foreman being capable of picking up a win against him.
     
  10. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    i think he won by a land slide, and even knocked foreman down..
     
  11. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman had Young hurt in the 7th but ran out of gas with his wide swinging blows. He seemed to have more stamina in his 2nd career or a better way to pace himself...If he could pace himself vs Young he may have caught Young again and George was not as wide a puncher in his comeback
     
  12. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't give Young much chance against an undamaged, pre-rumble Foreman.

    Along the same line of reasoning, I would pick 88 Tyson over any version of Holyfield.
     
  13. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    The jab, doubling the jab. More composure, more movement, probably better trained, better mentally, and a more fitting pacing.

    Believe it or not, the Foreman that feel in love with his power liked to just dispose a person. The one that fought Peralta could go the distance, but maintained a strong aggression. He was going to let people put him on his ass or out-work him. It was sort of young naive Foreman. The post-Ali version fought at too slow of a pace.

    Foreman is capable of winning a 12 round decision. It wasn't like their fight was a whitewash to begin with.

    Well it's an interesting proponent. But to remind you, Foreman lost a 113-114, and a 112-116 decision against Young. The last card was 118-111.

    I think Foreman is going to have to start well. Young will finish better, but Foreman can pick up enough rounds. If he hurts Young almost every round, that's going to be a huge swing to him. Add the fact that judges like aggression, I think Foreman can out-hustle Young. Foreman should keep his weight around 220-225. He wasn't being drained anymore, but that 230-235 range is a bit too much weight.

    Lastly, I think Foreman sucks in outdoor arenas. Zaire was more of him punching himself out. But he never got his body accumulated toward PR's climate. I've never seen Foreman as tired as he was in those two fights. Both in hot places, and outdoor arenas.
     
  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Lastly, I think Foreman sucks in outdoor arenas. Zaire was more of him punching himself out. But he never got his body accumulated toward PR's climate. I've never seen Foreman as tired as he was in those two fights. Both in hot places, and outdoor arenas."

    Interesting point...but George was from Houston and should have known about that problem if it had existed from his much younger days.
     
  15. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    George is always going to match up better against the guys he can land his uppercuts on. And nobody is landed their uppercuts on a prime Jimmy Young. You'd have to get the job done with other punches, but you'd be taking away a big part of the Foreman offense.


    But to beat Young, you just need the same judges as that Ali bout. 1 guy had Ali winning 13 rounds, didn't he?