I want to believe, but how can Floyd fail where Miguel Cotto succeeded?

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  1. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He should have accepted to fight Floyd when the offer presented itself, then, I guess.
     
  2. BoneCollecter

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    that was a miguel cotto that was peaking and didn't know how to loose, **** i thought floyd retired rather than face that version of cotto, i had pretty much convinced myself at the time that if cotto fought mayweather instead of margarito he would of beat him, remember margo's a huge welter with an iron chin (and loaded gloves) forcing cotto on the back foot which he started doing late in mosley fight and seemed to have success with, I still think if cotto had forced margo to respect his ground and went to body the way mosley did that would have been a different fight loaded gloves or not, like you said mosley fights for the right reasons and that might be the difference tommorow. However, floyd is a dynamic diabolical villian
     
  3. horst

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    He fought Oscar for probably ten times the money, and won, so he made the right decision, I guess.

    Who would you pick between Mosley of 2000 and Mayweather of 2010?
     
  4. rabmag

    rabmag Dead Game Full Member

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    Well written post, and I can say that I agree with your sentiments.

    This is what makes the fight so intriguing. Floyd is obviously the favorite, but Shane really is a live underdog. I can't quite bring myself to count him out.

    For instance, when Mosley was going into the Margarito fight, we all saw how badly Margarito battered Cotto(at this time we did not know Margarito was possibly cheating). In hindsight, we can all say that Margarito was tailor made for Mosley. But quite honestly...at the time, we saw that Cotto was at the very least able to keep up and at times even outbox Mosley by neutralizing his speed. We also saw that Cotto hammered Margarito with devastating shots and Margarito walked right through them.

    Cotto's legs and poor defense against straights and uppercuts are ultimately what cost him the fight. Honestly, though...after watching the shots Margarito took from Cotto, did you really believe Mosley would beat Margarito as badly as he did?

    That's why this fight is so intriguing. Mosley is a special fighter capable of special things. Floyd will probably win, but it's not exactly like Mosley has the same poor chances that JMM had. If any welterweight can do it...Mosley is definitely one of them.
     
  5. IsaL

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    :lol: Someone said a couple days ago that *******s would go to church on Saturday to pray that Mosley beat Mayweather... he was right :lol:
     
  6. horst

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    I would much rather Manny fought Floyd next than Shane, stylistically Floyd is an easier fight for Manny Pacquiao than Shane is. But when the bell rings, I won't be able to stop myself rooting for Shane tonight, as I respect and admire him, I do not respect or admire Floyd.
     
  7. SugarRay

    SugarRay Active Member Full Member

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    Nice post! I agree that the Mosley that beat Oscar had a much better chance (>50%) than beating Mayweather and the current Mosley will struggle but, will have a puncher's chance.

    I also respect Mosley more because he fights everyone. Whereas, Mayweather only fights guys who makes sense to him and they usually aren't the best.

    Yes, I also believe that Manny can get him due to speed, angles, power and volume.
     
  8. Hyland

    Hyland Pimp C's Father Full Member

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    Cotto was at his prime, and displayed a brilliant performance.
    Taking credit from him makes you a clear hater.
    Floyd is good too, but it doesn't make sense to take all the credit away from Cotto to make Floyd look good.

    Body punching wise, Floyd doesn't match up with Cotto, and thats where Cotto's power is layed down at...last couple of Cotto fights he's been body punching less hence fewer KO's and more L's.
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Well then you're just a hater. Why not admire Floyd..he has mad skills.

    As far as his personal life, we've all come to learn Pac has a few skeletons in his own closet...

    ..And it's like you to admire a KNOWN cheater who used steroids in the biggest fight of his career. (Shane Mosley)
     
  10. horst

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    Eh?! :huh

    I don't know what the **** you're on about. Head to rehab mate, you need to dry out, you're ****ed in the head.
     
  11. horst

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    Yawn. I admire fighters who fight the best. Like Pac has done in his career, like Mosley has done, like your man Oscar has done, like countless others have done. Floyd has not done that throughout his career. That's my criteria, I'm not interested in any outside the ring bull****.
     
  12. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    You're not interested in outside the ring life...Good :good, then why admire one man who's cheated, and hate another who shows a tremendous ability in teh sweet science???


    At 135 Pac did not fight the best, at 147 Pac has not fought the best. Actually, out of the 8 divisions Pac has fought, he's only fought the best in 3.

    HATER
     
  13. horst

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    Shane Mosley passed a polygraph to prove he didn't know he had taken an illegal substance. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that, considering his honesty and cooperation on the issue afterwards.

    Floyd has shown great ability in the ring... pity it hasn't been against the best opposition available, which is something I think is extremely important.

    Over the course of Pac's career, he has fought the best. He has one of the best resumes of these times.

    ****
     
  14. mikeatris

    mikeatris SUPREME MATHEMATICS Full Member

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    I think Shane lost the rds at the beginning for the simple fact of respecting his punching power. Cotto really sits on his punches and he has decent to good one punch hurt power. I think Shane waited until Cotto wore himself out and let his power fade a lil bit, but that was like 8 or 9 rds into the fight thats all. Shane will be like a bull possessed tonight cuz he will not respect his power at all since Floyd has lil to no power @ 47. I am not saying Shane is going to win but I believe Floyd will not be able to get into a rhythm with Shane in his face knowing his speed is up there with his and he has an iron chin and can throw shots from everywhere. I expect this to ba a cat and mouse game with Floyd picking shots in spurts and back peddling all nite not being able to sit still and throw bombs and Shane will have enough ammo to keep him from thinking about which punch to counter with. That is how I see it.
     
  15. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    The only answer to the TS is size. Cotto is MUCH bigger then Floyd.

    Edit: I also agree the Mosley that Beat Oscar would smoke this version of Floyd but to flip that arguement around the Floyd that smoked Corrales would beat any version of the lightweight Mosley.