Floyd Keeps Saying There's no "Blueprint" to beat him...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Stonehands89, Apr 15, 2010.


  1. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If that is what he meant, that's at least on the fringes on sanity, but what he said is that Floyd is "possibly the greatest of all-time." And therefore he needs to check himself into Bedlam. Post-haste.
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    :lol::lol:

    Old man McGrain

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    He is his promoter, he probably dosetn mean it. And most boxing fans do not study boxing history to the extent of ourselves on the Classic, and he does look phenomenal.
     
  3. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He is a public figure and a fighter. He should mean what he says, and if not, then he should have respect for the gods of war and shut up.

    One has nothing to do with the other, my friend. "Looking phenomenal" has nothing to do with being the greatest fighter who ever lived.

    Floyd deserves credit as possibly or probably the best fighter around today and quite possibly the best "pure boxer" in recent memory, but lets have some context here.

    Point: Floyd overcame adversity.
    Counterpoint: Go watch Marciano-Walcott I. Or Leonard-Hearns I, or Robinson-Turpin II, or Frazier-Ali and see far more adversity overcome.

    Point: Floyd beat Sugar III, the top welterweight in the world.
    Counterpoint: Duran beat Sugar II, a better welterweight than Shane ever was. LaMotta beat THE Sugar, a better welterweight than Shane, Leonard, and every other welterweight who ever lived.

    Point: Floyd is undefeated at 41-0.
    Counterpoint: Greb went 45-0 in one year.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Yeh, I agree with this. But I also understand not every fan knows of the Gods of War and he is just telling them what he wants them to hear.

    I didn't make myself clear there.

    I'm saying he has been completly dominant with everyone he has faced, and it impresses the casual fan,who may have seen say Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley, Oscar De La Hoya before, but isnt a big fan. He has seen these fighters and thinks 'WOW, Mayweather is better than these guys, he must be the greatest ever.'

    Floyd is a great fighter, just not the greatest.

    We are arguing really over semantics, just I am more sympathetic to the uneducated and let them think what they think.

    Also, I have the DVD in your avater. A good watch
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Why do you have to overcome more adversity to be "greater"?
    How can you make these type of statements on the guy when hes never lost? Im not saying that hes the greatest, but hes proven to me he would give any fighter hell in history up to 147.
     
  6. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I can't see many fighters having an easy time with Mayweather at 135 to 147. Perhaps Hearns has the easiest time with him.
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    I feel he'd be very competitve with Leonard and Duran at 147. Not a walk in the park for either of them.
     
  8. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Dunno, Leonard would walk through the more flat footed version imo.a perfect chance for him to really get those Robinson combinations going and just keep the pace up.

    Ray would get hit plenty fighting like that but Floyd would be eating the kind of rights he took early against Mosley, round after round on a semi-regular basis, with a real killer who isn't going to let up if he gets countered walking him down.

    If Floyd fights cautiously and on the backfoot it could be more of an ugly, competitive fight, but ultimately he just doesn't have the offensive firepower needed against a Welter boxer-puncher the calibre of Leonard.
     
  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't mind my edge. It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at all those boxing figures who speak of things they neither know nor understand but have a responsiblity to at least attempt both. I am not sympathetic to them. 75% of people's problems would disappear if they sat down and kept their mouths closed.
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Yes, really. Re-watch the fights.
     
  11. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Adversity has happened to every single elite boxer who ever lived. It must happen if a potential great takes risks and fights iron. It always happens eventually.

    "Floyd never lost"? Is that your measure of greatness? I hope not, because it is naive. Are you prepared to tell me that Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, who at 19 years old, is 30-0. Is he great? He claims to be 44-0 which is a better record than Floyd if your measure is "he never lost." Is Alvarez better than Floyd?

    See the point?

    It's about who you've faced. And when you face lions, you face adversity sooner or later ...like Floyd did in round two.
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Floyd got more adversity from several previous fighters, than he did from that old choker in front of him the other night.
     
  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I don't know if you're being sarcastic Lora, not really important, but from round 3 onwards, Mosley had absolutely nothing to offer Floyd. So I think you're right.
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    No not being sarcastic this time.I voiced my concerns about Mosley's frontrunning nature before the fight and it was borne out far more than i expected to be honest.

    He's not a confident or adaptable fighter once the comp goes beyond decent solid fighters.
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, his ability to adapt has never been special.

    But your scale works two ways. Adapting against Mayweather is not difficult because of Mosley, but because of Mayweather.

    Your avatar is a little gay.