Is there a best time to go running?

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    There are supplements you can take that will stunt cortisol prduction. The most notable legal one being phosphatidylserine in high doses but when you are doing that you will notice that you gas very quickly.
     
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    Source of this information?
     
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    Source of this information? I'm talking about scientific studies proving that eating on an empty stomach burns more fat.
     
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    I've done plenty of research for myself in the past, thanks. This isn't about how fat metabolism works, I'm asking you for proof of what you're saying, if you can't prove it that's fine, but don't expect people to believe what you say if you can't.
     
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    Alwyn Cosgrove -

     
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    Thats an improper application of physics, which is common in "exercise physiology." Went to school with a lot of guys wanting to become "exercise physiologists", they never took a single physics class and they never took thermo nor could they if they wanted to they simply lacked the math skill to do it.

    Alwyn Cosgrove is doing is improperly applying a system. In physics you try and define your system properly to minimize the analysis needed but you have to be careful not to make your system too broad. I see "exercise physiologists" do this a lot because they are nincompoops when it comes to physics.

    Not surprising since Alwyn Cosgrove never took thermo or has the base knowledge to even audit the class much less understand it. I've looked at the course requirements for "sports science" degrees. The science education is mainly physiology most of the time a single non-calc based physics course isn’t even required as part of the core.

    In the case of body fat and calorie balance we have tried to define a system that is too dynamic for our purpose as a single system and inappropriately applied the 1st law of thermodynamics to that system. Here is a hint. If you didn’t take thermo don’t apply its laws as an expert. You are not an expert on thermodynamics you are an ignorant dumbass Mr. Cosgrove. Any guy I can pull off the street knows just as much about thermo and maybe more.

    In the case of the human body the dynamics are too complex to look at it as one system when it comes to fat burning. You cant lump it all into one system and then extrapolate fat metabolism from that dynamic system. When you lump it all as one system you loose the ability to separate its internal dynamics. That’s what you give up when you set broad systems. So you are misapplying the 1st law for that purpose.
     
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    Alwyn Cosgrove





    Hmmm. Listen to Alwyn or Windigo....?
     
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    I can tell you right now that I've had way more physics education than him. He could have a PhD in Sports Science and not had a single physics class. Nothing in that bio tells me that he has any understanding of even basic phyiscs.
     
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    Nobody cares about your education in physics. Alwyn Cosgrove is a world-renown professional in all aspect of fitness. He's had clients from the general public to top class athletes. Experience is key in this stuff. He's used his experience to come to conclusions and try different things over the years and his ideas obviously work.

    How many top class athletes have come to you and asked you to train them? I'm guessing none.

    You can go on about physics all you want, but I'll listen to the guy thats been training people for 16 years and has vast experience and knowledge over some guy trying to say he knows better because he's better at maths.
     
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    You are engaging in an appeal to authority. You probably though he had knowledge in physics till I proved otherwise. Now you are ranting. Ill take his world on technique, nutrition etc. But when he starts talking physics I know more than him by a long shot and I'm not even a physicist but I'm well beyond him. I know he is wrong and I know what he is doing wrong in his analysis. Applying the wrong system is a fundemental mistake that one makes over and over again.
     
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    Why are you still going on about physics? My point is the guy has experience in the field and knows what works and what doesn't. He says your idea of running on an empty stomach is bull****. I agree from my own experience.



    For your edit - Hahaha. Feel free to go to his website and tell him he's wrong. I'd love to see you try and argue your point.

    The guy has trained thousands of people, he uses those results to help others and tell others what works and what doesn't. You on the other hand have a basic understanding of physics and think you know better.

    Tell you what, if you train thousands of people and top class athletes for 16 years and their results are better than Alwyn's I'll admit I'm wrong. Until then I'll go with Alwyn, thanks.
     
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    Lets expound on this idea that we can look at the body as a broad system and ignore the internal dynamics.

    Can I eat nothing but candy bars and chips so long as I hit my Cal/day goal?

    Can I not train at all sit on the couch all day and simply reduce my Cal by what I would have burned at the gym?

    Can I just eat one huge honking meal just before I go to bed to hit my Cal/day goal?

    No of course not. Now Mr. Cosgrove knows this full well but he lacks the education to understand how this also means that he is misapplying the 1st law of thermodynamics. The reason none of these things are a good idea is because of the dynamics of the system.

    Were Mr. Cosgrove correct and the 1st law properly applied than everything I listed above would be just fine. That’s the thing about physics. A law is a law if it applies to one it applies to all. If the use of the 1st law is valid in this case everything I listed above works. However the complex dynamics of his defined system makes the 1st law inapplicable for this purpose.