Flyweight Survey (Poll closes Sept 2, 2010 at 8:30pm EST)

1. Wilde
2. Lopez
3. Villa
4. Canto
5. Lynch
6. Perez
7. Labarbara
8. Jung Koo Chang
9. Wolfgast
10. Kingpetch

 

Just to make it easier for Rummy Mendoza..thats Ricardo as your number 2?

 

Well pointed out, I thought I put him in. Hang on I will edit it.

 

1-1 vs Ebihara, 1-1 vs Harada (albeit from what I hear the win could have easily gone the other way), 2-0 vs Perez. Better record overall than Ebihara. And frankly, I discount first round KOs a bit when someone is clearly outboxed by someone in another match with them.

Unless you're talking about Arbachakov, who's probably just outside the top 10.

I'm sure that if I mulled things over for another hour or two, I'd end up with a completely different list anyway.

 

:huhHmm, I'd wager you haven't seen any of those fights, have you? Outside of the TKO win over a faded Perez in the rematch, they were all gifts.

 

Just going off reports. Other than message boards, I haven't seen any contemporary reports indicating it was a bad decision. Like I said before though, I'm not as informed on historical stuff as most of the people on this side of the board, and don't watch too many older fights.

Tough to know what to trust anyway. Sure, there are a few rounds on Youtube, but that doesn't say much. There are a few rounds of John-Marquez on Youtube, and based on that there are tons of people who scream that was a robbery, but it's easy to say that when you stick all of one fighter's best rounds up there and ignore the other ones. Caught the full fight for that eventually, and I thought it was pretty clearly a John win, if you break it down by rounds and account for the deductions.

And I'll certainly grant that Perez was faded by the time Kingpetch got to him, which is why Perez is still ranked higher.

 

Same here.

I think that is a bit harsh, granted I havent seen the Ebihara bouts. The first Perez fight seems pretty close and Kingpetch is very impressive with his jab and uppercuts as he nullifys Perez's inside work. Although Perez had faded by then.

The second Harada fight I thought was abit of a robbery had Harada a fairly handy winner, but it was a close competitive bout. But yeh it probably was a gift.

 

Did Nat Fleischer just have an off night or something? He scored it 71-67 in favor of Kingpetch, after nearly scoring it a shutout for Harada in the first one. I mean, I'm sure he had off nights, but he's someone I would trust not being corrupt.

 

I actually thought Marquez won that fight even with the points off, which I felt were harsh. It was close and the points off probably allowed John to win it.

He must of, Harada I thought won it fairly well.

Harada: 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,12,15
Kingpetch: 4,8,10,11,13,14 KD'd 8,9
Total: 145-140 Harada (9-5-1)

Two of Kingpetch's rounds that he won were missing from the footage but were scored for Kingpetch according to the broadcast.

It was a brilliant fight though, still I think most have Harada winning it.

 

not to sure about my list yet sticking points for me are kane and harada dont want to leave them out also wondering about sot

 

Thailand has always been notriously corrupt and nationalistic as a boxing country.Almost impossible to get a decision against a popular home fighter.

I wouldn't be surprised if ole' Nat actually was on the take for the fight, and just thought with it being a relatively obscure asian world title fight he'd be fine.

 

Yes Ricardo. The best technical puncher I ever saw at straw weight. Some of Lopez's Ko's would make Mike Tyson nod his head.

 

That is some competition he is up against at Straw, mendoza.

Are you sure you want to stick with that bold opinion?.

 

Wilde himself fought below flyweight limit for the most part. Yet he capped fighters with great power. Lopez had off the charts power at his weight, combined with skills, and great concentration. Watch some of his stuff.

Lopez in his era was extremely dominant, even in his older age.

If Lopez wanted to I think he would be fine at 110 or 112 instead of 105. Lopez was rather tall for a strawweight.