Floyd Keeps Saying There's no "Blueprint" to beat him...

Your reading comprehension issues are flaring up again. Listen, the statement that opened that post was acknowledging that you had correctly stated 50% of the issue -which is that masterful skill will diminish unnecessary adversity. So, I obviously agree.

As per the rest of your post: You are not bright, and that's okay, but because you are not bright, you therefore have a responsibility to work harder. You can begin by reading previous posts before you attack an argument, because if you did, then you would have seen that I specifically said that "Floyd is great."

While his detractors (and there are many all over the place outside of ESB) are diminishing his win Saturday night by saying that Shane was an old man, I disagree completely. Many of them are showing their own hand as much as you show yours with bias or just plain ignorance.

Floyd has finally proved that he is a great fighter and among the most skilled pure boxers I've seen in a half century. What he did against Gatti proved little to me. What he did against Shane proved alot to me.

That being said, he still isn't close to Robinson who was 128-1-2 in his prime. Take that to the bank.

 

I happen to agree. Shane did not take risks and even though he was psyched out the by skill and power of Floyd, he is regretting it now. Would it have mattered? Probably not.

For purposes of comparison, I'll put his alongside Robinson's:

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-25 points-
Experience: 24

-15 points-
Ring Generalship: 15
Longevity: 15
Dominance: 14

-10 points-
Durability: 9
P/LO: 8
Intangibles: 8

TOTAL: 93

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-25 points-
Experience: 15

-15 points-
Ring Generalship: 14
Longevity: 8 (this is even more speculative than the rest)
Dominance: 11

-10 points-
Durability: 6
P/LO: 7
Intangibles: 4

TOTAL: 65

.............Now that's without spending too much time making comparisons between Floyd and the top 25. I will say that the 25th man has a total score of 76. So that gives an idea. I don't "officially" rate a guy until he has retired for the final time.

Absolutely. Adversity overcome. I was impressed.

Floyd reminds me a bit of Ray Leonard to be honest. Both do everything they can to get advantages. Leonard did take more risks to prove his greatness than Floyd, but he was always either retiring or ready to retire after a tough battle or big win. Leonard did not, incidentally, make my top 25. If I had well, yeah, simplistic, ideas of where guys place and considered "ring generalship/skill" only, he'd be quite high, but there are other criteria that have to be considered -like longevity.

Floyd has avoided dangerous guys almost shamelessly. Neither he nor Leonard seemed to be as confident as their skills would suggest, but in battle they switch into gear and became absolutely great. Leonard should have had more than 40 fights and Floyd should have been fighting the iron of the WWs all along. He could have whipped or damn near whipped them all by now.

Mayweather is not as great as he says, but he is far greater than he seems to believe. I hope that the Shane win convinces him to speak less and fight the iron. He's steel and has little to fear from less pure metals.

 

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"Great" is an adjective thrown about too easily today. Everybody isn't great... until they prove it. Mayweather's clinics against average fighters, stylistic straight men, and good fighters coming off a loss wasn't cutting it.

Does it cut it for you? That's your right, but I think that you listen to Max Kellerman too much for your ideas of what "great" is.

Be part of the solution, lefthook, not part of the problem. Insist that fighters accept real challenges before you running around calling them "GREAT".

Insults? You are probably the only poster I insult these days and it's obvious why. You're the worst regular poster on Classic and you lower the quality everytime you touch your keyboard.

And you have zero class.

Even your avatars are in poor taste.

I'd have hoped that you would have gotten serious by now and learned civility if you couldn't improve your argumentation, but it's getting hopeless. So, I'll continue to spotlight your stupidity.

As to Floyd's "adversity" pre-Shane. It wasn't enough to impress me. Adversity means something more than it does for you. The standard gets higher when you start talking p4p. Shane is the best fighter and biggest puncher Floyd has faced. He almost KOd him -Floyd came back. He overcame real adversity. I say "finally" and "about time" and "congratulations for proving something to those who need more than what you've been showing."

But he ain't no damn Robinson. Get it?

 

He is great pure boxer, one of the greatest pure boxers I've seen on film or in person. And once again, the clinic on a midget orthodox technician like Marquez was not convincing me that he was for real. The clinic on Shane did.

And Leonard, despite his lack of fights, scores higher in EXP because of who he faced.