Wladimir Klitschko has a very good resume..where does it rate in history

Golota maybe)))) It was a draw but it was by far the best Golotas performance since Bowe balls and **** match.

 

Good post Mac,the greater brother ,but not an ATG.
Two big fish in a very shallow pond,imo.

 

HE is atg.

 

Based on beating who?

 

lennox lewis was a great fighter,top 10 alltime.he defeated a lot of punchers
but,thing that bothers me is that lennox didn't look very dominant in his fights(that i watch).
he had problems with bruno,even shannon briggs in the opening round,mercer..
i didn't watch all his fights but that fights that i watch,he didn't look dominant to me,at least in the opening rounds.
his jab is definitely not in the legaue of wlads.
but,he is a born fighter,and he had that killer instict which wlad doesn't have,although he didn't impress me much with his jab and,lets say,dominance in his fights.

 

I don´t complain. Sounds reasonable to me. I was just wondering. Personally, h2h is too much speculation for me to rate it. It makes for fun discussions though.

 

yeah, he will. guys who should easily have no problems with top 10 atg status, with the little nagging fact:

no other top ten atg heavyweight was ever ko'd by third tier fighters in brutal fashion on their way up or in their 'prime'.

big stains on the reps, no matter what their fan clubs say.

 

What makes a great win, then?

 

I see no way Wlad can retire ranked ahead of Lewis. Lewis will have a better resume regardless of what Wlad does in the next few years and is overall better head to head than Wlad- some people will debate that but their records are or will not be up for debate

If you consider the second half of the past decade (when Wlad was the number 1 guy) I agree Ruiz and Valuev are the biggest names he didn't face. But you've got to remember that at no point was anyone really calling for these fights to be made. There were always more significant fights the fans wanted to see. Very few people think Wlad would have lost either of those fights, and when you take the WBA circle-jerk and Don King into the equation its not a case of WK avoiding these fights, more that they were never realistic or necessary at any point

 

"This right here is called cleaning out your era"

I don't think so. This list does not include the best fighters of the era, Lewis and Vitali, nor Valuev and Ruiz. To "clean out your era" you have to beat the really top men, not a whole bunch of "rated" fighters, some of whom are fringe contenders at best.

That said, Wlad will have in some ways an impressive resume, but as you said more in quantity than quality. The losses to non-top ten fighters will undercut his long term placement, I think. He might make top 20. I have a tough time seeing him rising into the top ten with those three bad defeats.

 

I have an appointment and have to go, but I'll drop in this afternoon to try to answer this. Good questions.