Calzaghe or naz

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  1. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    @dubace, bhop, kessler or eubank arent really comparable to Barrera. heres a comparison, imagine joe fighting a prime jones jr, losing and never fighting again. Thats the difference. im sure if naz stayed carefully managed and fit he couldve beat mab 15 years later.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

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    When making these sort of judgments, it's always a good idea to compare apples with apples. Unfortunately in this case, it’s a little hard to do so, as one guy had a long complete career (Calzaghe), whereas the other had a short and unfinished one (Naz).

    In terms of longevity, then yes without a doubt Calzaghe is comfortably above Naz. But this is through Naz’s fault more than Calzaghe’s exertion. By the time he’d faced Barrera, he fell completely out of love with the sport. He showed little consideration to the talent he possessed, and the hard work needed to reach his potential. He made all the intentions in fighting and beating Barrera, Morales and whoever after, but completely underestimated the work needed to achieve that. Relying on his natural gifts, he picked up the bad habit of assuming all he needed to win in a fight, was turn up. This mentality was detrimental to his career; consequently throwing it all away, and leaving his legacy unfinished.

    Joe on the other hand, was opposite. Yes his resume (for the long period he remained a champion) was sub-standard to the say the least, but at least he took his job seriously. Nowhere near as gifted as Naz, but by actually completing his career (as oppose to abandoning it), it’s safe to say he has a more complete legacy out of the two. But again, this is only because Naz relinquished his.
     
  3. mcnamai

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    I agree with uncle Rico above. If your judging on careers then its no choice, Calzaghe. But on pure boxing ability it was Naz.

    Prince Naz could have gone on to be one of the true greats. In his real early days the guy was simply awesome. You couldn't hit the guy. His reflexes were simply incredible. Up there with RJJ in his hayday. He could throw punches at angles that I have never seen other boxers throw. One of the most unique talents the sport of boxing has ever produced.

    Sadly his dedication in the gym was his downfall. Say what you like about Floyd but the guy trains his butt off and puts in the hard work that his natural talent deserves. Naz never did and his performances after beating Steve Robinson became more and more patchy and the more money he made, the less training he would do. He would drive his trainer Brendan Ingle crazy.

    When I saw the Kevin Kelley fight I realized American fans would never see the real Naz. I just couldn't believe how a guy that was so hard to hit, could now be hit so easily. By the time he fought Barrera, I was one of the very few at the time that didn't give Naz a chance to win. He had never been in the ring with a guy with the quality of Barrera and he was not the same fighter. I scored the fight a lot bigger for Barrera then the judges did.

    People said he should have stayed going but he had one more fight against a nobody and the super elusiveness was gone and so was Naz. It was that elusiveness that would allow him to throw vicious punches at sick angles (youtube Prince Naz KO's to see what I mean).

    For me my dream matchup is a hayday Naz against a hayday Floyd. Prince Nazeem in my eyes is one of the greatest wastes of talent I have ever seen in boxing. He could have been a legend. Now he never will. Nothing worse then wasted talent..

    http://www.lite-news.com/wp-content/uploads/naseem+hameed+2.jpg
     
  4. mike464

    mike464 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because some people rate being undefeated way too highly.
     
  5. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Naz was a phenom at his best, but he got figured out.... Calzage was a real fighter and over ten years champ his shits deep...
     
  6. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe.

    But I believe Naz could have been greater had he not been such a complete and utter twat and dedicated himself properly.
     
  7. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post I agree with all of that.
     
  8. Stickandmove

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    Calzaghe

    Naz was an unbelievable puncher and great talent, but his arrogant, narcissistic, immature, spoiled attitude caught up with him.

    Calzaghe stayed dedicated and reaped the rewards
     
  9. TommyV

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    Sakio Bika did no such thing. I'm not a fan of Calzaghe at all, but that was a decisive 8-4/9-3 win. All Bika did was take him out of his rhythm a bit by constantly head-butting him. And if it was a street fight? It wasn't, it was a boxing match, so who gives a ****?

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    The correct answer is Calzaghe. His best win trumps Naz's best win, he was more dominant and is superior head-to-head.
     
  10. LondonW2

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    Calzaghe by a mile.

    Hamed got beat by the first world class fighter he fought and then ran away
     
  11. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Naz beat some decent opposition e.g. Manuel Medina, Tom Johnson, Vilfredo Vasquez, Vuyani Bungu, Kevin Kelley, Wayne McCullough

    Granted he lost convincingly to the only great fighter he fought, but he beat decent opposition and in style
     
  12. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll add that if they were the same weight.....I'd pick Calzaghe to win a decision over Hamed. Calzaghe is more versatile and adaptable and would outwork Hamed who'd be looking for the big shots.
     
  13. El Terrible

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    spot on :thumbsup
     
  14. The Phenom

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  15. ripcity

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    NAZIM HAMED was anoying and got his butt kicked by Marco Antionio Barrera :happy. However that aside he was a very good boxer with great power. Also had some good wins in his career. The Prince gets my vote.