Roy Jones Jr or Tommy Hearns? Who do you Rate Higher?

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  1. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Who rates higher all time?
     
  2. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime for prime at middleweight, Jones
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    Looking at it quickly...

    Records:

    Hearns:
    Smashing Duran probably the best win on either of them
    Smashing and ruining Cuevas
    Clear win over Benitez
    Beating Hill long before Roy touched him
    Probably deserving the nod over SRL the second time

    Jones:
    Shutting out Toney probably just short of Hearns' win over Duran
    Whipping Hopkins probably better than Hearns' other wins
    Dominant win over Hill, but DM and Hearns got him first
    Griffin, old McCallum, Ruiz

    Very close, slight edge to Hearns

    Ability:
    Roy is to 160 what Hearns is to 147 IMO - not their best weight but still very much up there with the top fighters. Overall I'd say Jones beats more fighters at 160, but then it's not as strong a division as Welterweight talent-wise. Both are probably the GOAT at their respective peak divisions - Jones at 168 and Hearns at 154. However, Jones is also a proven commodity at 175 where Hearns' ability drops off somewhat once he faced big power and loses his size advantage, so I don't see him as having as much range as Jones from a H2H standpoint. Also Hearns has the glaring weakness of his chin where Jones can dodge that issue to some extent.

    Clear edge to Jones.

    Other considerations:
    Dominance: Similarly dominant, both getting lots of stoppages and losing rarely if ever in their primes. Perhaps slight edge to Jones
    Weight jumping: Hearns picking up straps all the way up to Cruiser is probably bettter than Jones doing so at Heavy, though Jones was the man at 175 despite DM in the background.. Perhaps slight edge to Hearns
    Jones had a much more embarassing fall from grace.

    Very close, I'd say Jones gets the nod mainly based on ability.
     
  4. horst

    horst Guest

    I rank Roy Jones slightly higher, but there's not much in it, I wouldn't argue with anyone who had Tommy above Roy. Both of them are on a similar ATG level IMO.
     
  5. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones. Not much but he is higher imo.
     
  6. teeto

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    Jones for me.
     
  7. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I'd go with Hearns on this one. Jones Jr in his prime rates higher H2H but Hearns has the better resume.
     
  8. BUDW

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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hearns fought the better competition.
     
  10. R.B.J

    R.B.J Active Member Full Member

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    Roy edges Tommy by a hair. Both had suspect chins, but Hearns got stopped in his prime by Hagler and Leonard. Was slightly past it when Barkley got him. All of Roys k.o losses came when he was shot to bits.
     
  11. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Nice one.
     
  12. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Hearns but really not by that much. I consider Hearns to have a much higher ring IQ and that he had to fight the better men and prove himself while at his best and beyond it in a way Jones didn't so much. Jones is close to Hearns in my book just on my perception of his h2h ability in his best weights.
     
  13. TBomb 25

    TBomb 25 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jones didnt fight that kind of comp to get ko'd,nor would he have been brave enough to take those fights,and Hearns wasnt even in his prime yet when he fought Leorard he was 21 years old.Jones was a low to high HF'mer,Hearns is a ATG,its big difference between them,plus Hearns would have starched him out fairly quickly.
     
  14. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Based on...?
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    You can debate either way depending on criteria. Hearns probably fought and beat better fighters overall but Jones had a brilliant long term run without an unaided defeat.