I've Reviewed Williams vs. Cintron

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  1. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah. It was just kinda ****ed how it happened. That said, I don't believe for a second that he was hurt to the extent he was pretending while on the floor. I think he could have gotten off the floor and back in the ring. All I know for sure is that Cintron is extremely mentally fragile and - this isn't necessarily my opinion - he was getting tagged finally in Round 4 and when the opportunity presented itself, maybe he just decided to take it and stay there on the floor. Only he knows if that's true.
     
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  2. Marnoff

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    You know, that's just the way it is. I don't necessarily recommend people talk trash for the hell of it, that's a personal decision, but he's just gotta find a way to make himself a worthwhile opponent. Whether by fighting absolutely anyone on short notice and making it impossible to ignore him or by doing as you said and taking a page from Mayweather, the onus is on him.
     
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  3. Pound4poundx

    Pound4poundx Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Merchant was on the money when he made that comment and I understand your logic. I'm just trying to envision someone being able to avoid that many punches over a prolonged period of time. I cannot recall how many punches Williams threw against Quintana during their first fight but if it was about 100 per round then you can disregard my entire argument because I'd be dead wrong!
     
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  4. Marnoff

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    I'm watching the playoff hockey at the moment as well as posting, but when I get a chance at some point later I'll try and find that statistic, unless someone can do that for us. It'd be interesting to know.
     
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  5. TheGreat

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    Floyd doesn't need to avoid all of em, williams isn't a sharp explosive puncher like Berto, he throws alot of pawing shots that are like slaps, PBF will be able to load up and land HUGE hurtful shots in between Pauls shots. Honestly Pac would be a much harder challenge for Mayweather.
     
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  6. CarlesX7

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    Agreed.

    He didn't strike me as pretending to be hurt. I thought he was stunned by the fall and then was afraid that he might have sustained some damage. The doctors told him that he should not continue and then they brought the stretcher. Yes, he is definitely mentally fragile (which I think caused the long time lying down and looking puzzled/scared after the fall), but I don't think Williams had landed anything significant up that point. In his fights with Margarito he was indeed broken down mentally, but only after he had taken a serious beating. But this time he wasn't in any kind of trouble, for him to look for a way out.
     
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  7. Marnoff

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    My feeling at the beginning of 2010 was that the two guys left that Floyd needed to fight were Mosley and Pacquiao. Mosley is out of the way, now Pacquiao is the most dangerous fighter for him. Martinez would also be very interesting, and if that fight comes off I'll do more research and watch more Martinez videos as an analyst rather than a fan to see how that matches up.

    Like you said, even the shots Williams lands, many of his shots are arm punches that he just leans in with. Nothing threatening, generally. When he goes for real power, he gets wild and lunges wildly when he misses.
     
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  8. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Williams threw 799 punches in the 1st Quintana fight (he landed just 157, that's 20%).

    It's about 67 punches per round.
     
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  9. Marnoff

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    You know, if that was someone like Mosley, or Mayweather, or Pacquiao, or someone like that lying on the ground in that way, I wouldn't question it for a minute. I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, it's just Cintron's history that has me taking a second look.

    That said, I'm just headed to the movies, so I won't be replying for a while, if at all tonight. Take it easy.
     
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  10. Marnoff

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    20% against Quintana. I can't imagine how abysmal he'd be against Mayweather. Ouch.
     
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  11. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Fair enough.


    Have a good one, M.
     
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  12. horst

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    Paul Williams would lose to both Pac and Floyd. He doesn't have the technical ability, defence or well-roundedness to avoid being picked apart by these superior, high level guys.
     
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  13. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly.
     
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  14. SweetHome_Bama

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    I think Paul beats Manny's ass, you all talk like Manny is a ring technician and has tremendous skill, he does not, he isn't a defense wizard, nor a great, above average counter puncher. The only asset Manny has is speed and stamina, he can't fight going backwards, so if he and Paul fought it would be to his detriment, because it would be two come forward fighters meeting in the middle of the ring, except one is a lot bigger.
     
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  15. R.B.J

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    Someone needs to teach P.W. to shoot his jab more and tuck his chin in. He needs a new trainer.
     
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