High Def Kermit Jump Vid - what do you see?

First off prove it. Second if you were his manager, it sounds like you are butthurt that he left you and moved on. Rub some Preparation H into the butthurt and move on.

 

Have a few quesitons myself Conditioner.

How bad is the steriod issue in boxing(do alot of fighters use)?

Have you ever taken steriods of any kind and or any of your fighters?

Whats your take on the Pacquiao and Mayweather situation?

How much of a help is taking steriods for training and on fight night?

 

Montoya and Passetore in the house?
this has become an all time awesome thread. someone sticky this ****.

 

Most relationships end badly. I'm sure Kermit has his own side of the story and to be honest there hasn't really been anything said here that is overly shocking or surprising.

Whether or not he was influenced by anyone, he must have decided that it was best for his career to change his team. Just because you were loyal to him and sacraficed so much, does that mean that he owes you his entire career?

I'm sure he does appreciate everything you did for him and if he doesn't, one day he will.

But I mean, a boxer losing/quitting sparring matches, hard time keeping his di$% in his pants, spoiled, unappreciative, etc. Sounds like many boxers/pro athletes to me.

 

As for your assertion that Kermit takes every chance to take a shot you and Marshall every chance he gets, in the ten or more interviews I've done with Kermit, he's maybe mentioned you guys three times at most. And it was either his history in terms of where he started or about the hand injury leading into the Margarito fight. All of those times were prompted by our questions.

In fact, you and Marshall have contacted me more on this issue and I've seen you guys talk about this issue more than I have ever seen or heard Kermit talk about it.

Maybe that's because he's hiding something or maybe it's because he has moved on. I don't know.

Personally, when it comes to my job, personal lives mean very little to me. What happens in the gym and ring is what I care about in regards to fighters.

 

At the end of the day though, i find it rich that a journalist is questioning the investment a trainer makes in his fighter and vice versa. What we have to accept is that there are two sides to every story- and base our opinions on the credibility of each side.

In terms of what Joe has said. I ve trained with many trainers and for a long time seen the relationships bound between fighter and trainer. When a great fighter comes into the gym- for the trainer - its like they find a lottery ticket, a vessell for all their dreams. they put everything into it they possibly can to see it go far. is their some selfish agenda to it?? sure . they want something out of it as much as they want good for the fighter. whats wrong with that? its got to be good for everybody dosent it?

what im saying is: the amount of times i ve seen heartbroken trainers cut up cos a fighter has abandoned them- has been countless. for whatever reason a fighter decides to move on- and one side or another feels like theyve put in more than theyve received. its like a marriage. is it unfair? maybe. is it the way it is? most definetely. the fact is: trainers take on fighters with the unsigned goodwill that one day- they ll look after as theyve been looked after. but the larger fact is- that boxers need to do whats best for them in the end. in the end its their lives on the line.

do i think Cintron is a faker and a drama queen? yes.
but i also believe that we need to hear his side of the story before we throw more petrol on the fire- its too easy to crucify a guy when he s not here to defend himself- its too easy to mark him as a weakling and murder his rep- he s done a bit of that himself this weekend, but lets wait and see what unfolds before we burn him at the stake- this is bully and mob mentality - to cry foul and just kill a guy for it.

 

Please send me a link or copy of the interviews where you asked kermit those questions. I would LOVE to see that. Better yet post them here on this thread.
Teddy reid's connect percentage was dreadful against Kermit. Re-watch please. Kermit's defense was very good. Kept his hands up and caught punches then countered. Something Larry Merchant commented on.
As for Mathysse? Great performance. Which further illustrates the fact that kermit is a front runner. If he build confidence he is an extremely dangerous fighter. His talent it on par with anyone in boxing. BUT, if he has no early success, or someone stands up to him he quickly folds. Now more then ever.
I was never sold on Margarito, or Paul Williams. All Margaritos wins are now tainted, and if Kermits character matched his talent he would have destroyed Margarito, and he would have destroyed Williams last night. talent and ability were never kermits shortcomings. Physically he is gifted. PERIOD. Mentally, he is a weakling. He looks for the easy way out in every aspect of his life.
Who is Orlando Lora? Oh yeah the bum that got KO'd by Cintron KO victim David Estrada. In Loras 24 fights did he beat any Ring Mag top 10 fighters????? Absolutely not! So whats your point?
Where do you get your info from in saying Mathysse went the distance with Williams? Williams gave him a beating, and STOPPED him in the 10th.
Paul Williams made a huge mistake in laying back early against Kermit. he was setting himself up for a difficult fight. As I said before a confident Cintron is a very dangerous guy, but as is usually the case with him these days the moment the going go tough he got going right out the ring.

 

Gabriel, your prediction for this fight was Kermit to upset Williams. I suppose this prediction was based on the improvements with Stewart you cited.

Well, conditionner predicted for his part Cintron was going to completely fall apart. His quote:

Doesn't everything he said about Cintron fall exactly in line with the outcome of the fight and the way he's regressed, contrary to your prediction ?

 

Well this is a very interesting thread.

 

Kermit and I started off as friends. in fact he gave me a jump cause the battery in my car died. Over time i saw something in him that I believed Marshall and i could turn into something great.I can recall for you the very first time I talked with Kermit in marshalls office. My offer was this. I believe you are something special. So much so that I am willing to back you financially, and Marshall will train you. My concern right now is NOT money. I believe that if we all put our heart n soul into this there will be plenty of money for us all down the road. All i ask of you now is that you you give this your all. Do I hope to make money some day? heck yeah, but if we don't make it, and you have given your best I will consider us even. You won't owe me a thing. Does that sound fair to you Kermit? His answer was yes. I don't see how anyone could ask for more.
As for Kermits side of the story i offer only this. if you were him, and you had conducted yourself in this manner... would you admit to it? Of ccourse not. the kind of person that owns up to there mistakes is not the kind of person that does the things kermit has done.

 

Conditioner= trainer of world class fighters. muchos credibility
gabe montoya= maxboxing writer, internet geek and e-fighter. 0 industry experience.no credibility

 

I came close, but for some reason Williams started slow. That was a big mistake on his part, and he is lucky he didn't pay for it. He almost did. Kermit was true to form the moment Williams started to getting going a bit Kermit found a way out. Literally.

 

Have a few quesitons myself Conditioner.

How bad is the steriod issue in boxing(do alot of fighters use)?

Have you ever taken steriods of any kind and or any of your fighters?

Whats your take on the Pacquiao and Mayweather situation?

How much of a help is taking steriods for training and on fight night?

 

Thanks for the support. I don't know the book on all fighters, but i know it on Kermit. You learn things about people in a boxing gym. It's like a truth laboratory. You learn things about them that every day life would never show you. One thing I can assure you all is that what i have said is the truth. Ask me the same questions in ten years, or 30 years. My answers will always be the same. You don't have to remember the truth. You have to remember stories, and lies. the truth just is what it is. It never changes.

 

i buy that - and i must say - everything you say runs consistent and true. and cintrons actions tonight certainly dont endear himself to anybody. all im saying is- we re hearing alot of strong words on here- and to my knowledge- only you and gabe actually KNOW him , yet we re hearing people say they hate him, how he should quit- blah blah blah. its ok to take sides- i just think people are jumping the gun on it a bit.

it does suck- and it hurts to see you get used like that. there are unsaid contracts in many industries that are never paid. im in an industry (entertainment) that expects alot of unpaid work and goodwill for free, BUT with the provisor that one day- should the project take off- the work will be paid. When i started out- i was exploited like hell- and i never got paid by some parties. i ve never worked with them again and still hold ill will. so i can only imagine what 6 years and all that money- plus incalculable emotional investment must have been like to lose. anyway- in the end, it seems like you didnt lose out on much after all- if he s the person you say he is- you dont want to be with him after all- and if you re the trainer you say you are- you ll find another young champ who does you right. all will come good in the end my friend.