ESPN'S: Top 20 fighters of all time.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Fitz beat an ATG to lift the MW title and a top HW to lift the HW title. In his prime 12 years he lost to two men, one on a bull**** DQ, twice to the best HW of the era, one of the greatest of all time. As a heavyweight he resides only 20 ish spots behind Ali, he is ranked ATG at MW and was a LHW champion too. He's the very definition of pound for pound.

    Now with them being so close, I can't argue with someone who wants to switch them. But it's one of the placemnts i'm happiest with. I certinly don't understand your anxt over the ranking.

    What can I do about that? Do you think I sit with a pen and a piece of paper tyring to calculate an even spread for my ATG list? You have to prove it to get on there is no positive discrimination here.
     
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  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good
     
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  3. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I hear what your saying about Fitz he has some great accomplishment but i just have a hard time rating a guy higher than ALI who made FIDO BIDO look like a cutie. Thats my problem i will always rank these guys high due to their resumes, but i cannot fathom rating FITZ over Ali.:patsch
    I go out on a limb to rank some of these guys high, but i can only go so far.

    Its worse than saying George Mikan was a greater center than Shaq. But if you had a time machine and could pick teams you know you wouldnt pick him.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't rate era v era. This is not a "best" list, it is a great list. There will be lots of guys on here who might beat a higher man for 2/3.

    Some examples -

    Leonard could beat Duran 2/3

    Burley could beat Armstrong 2/3

    Saddler could beat Pep(!) 2/3


    I'm more inerested in who achieved most in their own time, rather than speculate as to how he might do in someone elses. As an aside, who are the fighters whose primes were in the last 40 years that you would consider a lock for such a list? Whitaker an Pacquiao are ranked in my 20's if that makes you feel any better.
     
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  5. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The others guys had a trio.............. But Armstron and Burley never fought wise guy:bart You should no better than that.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Anarci, Jesus, I'm not saying they DID FIGHT i'm making he point that it is perfectly reasonable and normal for a fighter A to be ranked ahead of fighter B even though fighter B might be favoured to beat fighter A.
     
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  7. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Okay gotcha:good Ive been wanting to pick you brain for a while and there are certain fighters i wont ask you about cause i know who your going to pick:lol:

    Rate these five in order for me

    Chacon
    Tapia
    Carbajal
    Little red Lopez
    Canizales
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I just don't kno enough about Little Red or Chacon to say to be honest with you. The only fights i've seen Chacon in is his getting his clock cleaned by Olivares.

    I'm big on Canizales, but not as big as some around here.
     
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  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    He has no fighters from the 1850's either. Definitly a man favouring of the so called 'Classic Era' of 1920-1950.
     
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    McGrain, you need to check out more Chacon, one of the best Super Feathers in the bursting at the seams division in the eary 80s after Arguello moved up.

    His wars with Limon and Boza Edwards are must sees for any boxing fan. Also his fight with Arguello is a very entertaining scrap.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Oh yeah,I forgot about Limon.

    I'll check out the Arguello fight at some point.
     
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  12. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :think:think:think:think I am very surprised, So i see you are also a YOU TUBE generation expert. wow you had me fooled! Any ways if you havent seen much of Chacon lot of clips on yout ube when he was at JL, My pops said he was better at Fw but came in out of shape and partyed out when he fough Ruben. I think your giving me a line of **** :patsch
     
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  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    The Arguello fight is good, Chacon uses angles well in it but Arguello is in very fine form.

    Put a post in the 'What fight you watched today' thread when you watch it, be interesting what you think of it.
     
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  14. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mcgrain has to be lying:huh
     
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  15. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I thought Arguello looked awful against Bobby.
     
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