Archie Moore's heavyweight resume

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Archie Moore went 65-3-2 at heavyweight during his career. An unbelievable record. He did fail against the three ATG heavyweights he fought, but every 'good' heavyweight he fought he pretty much dominated. It seems to me in order for a heavyweight to beat Archie Moore, he better be a borderline great fighter.


    How does this win resume stack up in history to other heavyweights?

    Archie beat

    Nino Valdes 2x- 6'3 210lb # 1 heavyweight contender
    Bob Baker- 6'2 210lb # 4 heavyweight contender
    Clarence Henry- 6'1 185lb # 3 heavyweight contender

    These men were the 3 best young top contenders in the division. These 3 were also the most avoided contenders in the divison by the greats of the era. Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Rocky Marciano did not record a single win against these men, despite all three being ranked very highly by Ring Magazine during the time these men fought. Looks like Ole Mongoose did all the dirty work for the other greats of the era.

    other ranked contenders Archie beat

    Jimmy Bivins- 4x. # 6 rated heavyweight contender in 1948. Bivins was still a very good fighter in the late 1940s when Moore beat him.
    Alejandro Lavorante- 6'4 212lb # 4 rated heavyweight contender.
    Hatchetman Sheppard- 5'11 185lb # 6 rated heavyweight contender.
    Bob Dunlap- 5'11 180lb # 4 rated heavyweight contender.

    other Fringe Contenders/solid journeyman Archie beat

    Jimmy Slade
    James J Parker- 6'3 211lb
    Embrell Davidson- 6'2 200lb. Highly touted prospect.
    Buddy Walker
    Rusty Payne
    Bob Satterfield
    Bert Whitehurst 2x
    Willie Bean- 6'2 211lb
    Howard King 3x
    Phil Muscato
    Abel Cestec 2x- 6'4 223lb
    Alberto Santiago Lovell- 6'3 200lb
    Hans Kalfbell- 6'3 210lb
    Frank Buford
    Pete Radamcher
    Willie Besmanoff
    Georges Parmentier- 6'6 233lb

    Archie's career record against men above 200lb = 22-1 with 19 knockouts
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This really makes young Patterson's easy victory over him seem quite impressive. Didn't Archie score a devastating KO against a fringe contender (Lavorante?) before his last fight, against Clay? Pretty good for someone that ancient.
     
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  3. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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  4. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    damn, thanks man. i always underrated his resume at heavyweight apparently! i thought he was a great light heavy that moved up with little success (mainly cause his best known fights are losses)...i have to check out that satterfield fight if it's available
     
  5. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, the fact is that the three men who beat him at heavyweight were not borderline greats, but great, period. The first undefeated heavyweight champion, the first two time heavyweight champion, and the first three time heavyweight champion. Charles get ranked the all time top light heavyweight primarily at Archie's expense. (Moore was also knocked out by Ezz at the worst possible time to be in the opposite corner, the last match Charles had before the Baroudi tragedy took some of the starch out of Ezz.)

    In his 1962 draw with Pastrano, Archie took the only card which didn't score it a draw. Patterson produced a startlingly great performance against him, but Archie also called it the worst performance of his own career.

    Had Archie managed to nab the heavyweight title, he probably would weighed around 200 to 210 pounds through the remainder of his career. He was naturally heavier and more solidly built than Bob Foster. (And a comparison of their heavyweight resumes is revealing, isn't it?)
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Yes. I think this is by far patterson's best performance on film. Patterson is very underrated h2h. He had the best blend of technique/speed/power I have ever seen until Mike Tyson came along. Patterson would defeat most heavyeights in history below 200lb, and many above. Too fast and technical for most of them.

    Lavorante wasn't just a fringe contender, he was a top rated heavyweight contender(#4). He was big and powerful 6'4 212lb and young. He recently scored an impressive knockout over Zora Folley. Archie Moore fought Lavorante at age 46! Moore beat up Lavorante so badly he had to be carried out of the ring on a stretcher! :shock:
     
  7. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amazing and considering one loss was against Marciano where he was badly battered and 8 years later to Ali...the one to Floyd was after the Marciano battering...The thing with Archie is that his greatest win streak was leading to the Marciano fight a truley amazing man and I can see why he was avoided and fought the avoided
     
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  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Harold Johnson had a pretty impressive heavyweight record also.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Awesome stuff Suzie, puts things into perspective.

    65-3... Damn.
     
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  10. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That´s what I wanted to say. Both have arguments to rank higher than most beltholders later on. Both could/should be Top30 hws.
     
  11. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    Good thread. Moore is definitely underrated as a Heavyweight.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Incredible post! :thumbsup:

    I wish most of these fights were on film, and in decent quality.
     
  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Yeah, Moore was very good as a heavyweight
     
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  14. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Patterson vs Moore on 11/30/1956

    Roy Shire wrestler met Archie Moore in a boxing match on September 8, 1956 in Ogden, Utah, losing on a third-round TKO due to a cut. The two later were a part of a boxer -vs- wrestler match in Indianapolis in 1960 in connection with the wrestling promotion. Following his days as a wrestler, Shire was a wrestling promoter in San Francisco.


    1956-07-25 : Archie Moore 186½ lbs beat James J. Parker 211¼ lbs by TKO at 2:02 in round 9 of 15
    Photo #2, Photo #3, Photo #4, Photo #5

    "Archie Moore, San Diego, Calif., chopped up James J. Parker with the greatest of ease last night. Referee Billy Burke called a TKO in 2:02 of the 9th. The outclassed lanky Toronto heavyweight dripped blood from cuts around the left eye and was absorbing heavy punishment while pinned against the ropes when the end came. Parker was in way over his head with the old master. Moore at 186 1/2 gave away 24 3/4 pounds, almost 5 inches in height and 2 inches in reach and still outjabbed his opponent. He feinted Parker into a pretzel and sliced the left eye as early as the 4th." -Associated Press

    Post fight comments

    • "Before the 9th, I had him where I wanted him. He was floundering around but I didn't want to take any undue advantage and hurt him. He's a good kid and I didn't want to spoil his future." -Archie Moore
    • "Moore never hurt me, although I couldn't see out of the eye from the 4th on. Don't believe all that stuff about Archie being 43 years old. That's all malarkey. He can really step." -James J. Parker
     
  15. mcvey

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    A great record but, lets be honest , 25 of those heavies were nobodies.
     
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