One thing that Pacquiao has over Mayweather when it comes to ATG standing...

You telling Bigreg he can keep reaching and twisting but look how you constructed your opening post to this thread. It full of twisting and reaching to support your own argument.

You gonna ask me how?

Well you're already suggesting that if cotto wins against forman he will most likely be a future hall of famer just so you can make Pac look good in your argument.:-(

Oh yeah and let me know when Cotto was ever the man of a division. Because Castillo was.

 

Hopkins finest performance was arguably against Pavlik, was he in his prime in that fight? Mosley's finest performance was arguably against Margo, was he in his prime then? Pacquiao beat a good version of Marquez who was stll operating at a high level, he did not beat a prime Marquez though. A fighter's prime usually ends around the age of 30. Certain guys start later and can reach their prime later on(i.e Sergio Martinez), that's not the case with Marquez. A 35 year old fighter with as much milege as Marquez had at that point, is not in his prime.

 

Well two things if you count fighting away from home, which I do.

 

We're going in circles. Both Hopkins moved up in the p4p rankings at the age of 43, he reached the no.1 status in his late 30's on the basis of performance. Was he in his prime at either point? Mosley moved up in the rankings in his late 30's on the basis of performance, was he in his prime then? Even still, you cannot tell me that Marquez would've moved from no.3 to no.2 had Mayweather not retired. So he did benefit from a retirement.

 

You acting like you just showed me something.:rofl

I can read through your bull****, your little play with words don't work with me. For you to even mention cotto's possible victory against forman at JMW says it all. You reaching son!!

And i already read what you said about castillo. what's your point? I asked you a question. Let me know when cotto was the man of a division before you start claiming he a future hall of famer by beating the weakest champion at 154

 

When you are talking about prime you need to clarify if you meant 'resume' or 'physical' wise.
For example, MAB I is Pac's resume peak (unless he beats PBF). But his physical peak is surely in 2007-201x?

I think this is where the confusion lies.

 

This idiot keeps on going by p4p rankings to suggest a fighters in his prime

 

These are both merely your opinion. Many would argue that their finest performances came much later, some would say earlier. Just like if asked many fans what Marquez's finest performance was, they would not say it was a loss against Pacquiao.

Hopkins reached is peak in his late 20's. He just didn't get noticed until he was in his mid 30's. Anyone who has really watched his career knows that he did not peak when he was in his mid 30's.

I never said ever fighter peaks around 30, but most do and Marquez is not an exception. His reflexes were not as sharp in that fight as they were when he really was at his peak. Just look at his fight against Jaca. No way would a guy on the level of Jaca be able to catch Marquez that much and cut him up like that if he was in his prime.

 

It's possible that Yuri Forman can be the p4p number 1 in the next 2 years.

It's possible that Andre Berto could finish his career at 50-0.

It's possible that Juan Marquez will go back up to 147 to face mosley.

Don't mean it gonna happen!!

So for you to even mention it, tells me your reaching.