Ike Ibeabuchi (1997-98) vs Riddick Bowe (1992-93) - who was better and who would win?

Bowe had a shaky chin?

 

I don't understand this. He beat two unbeaten, prime, very good fighters in Tua and Byrd. Both guys who proved they were elite heavyweights and were beaten by Ike.

Seldon has absolutely nothing on his resume to come close to either of these victories, Ike proved he was definitely multiple levels above Seldon. Using the Seldon fight to illustrate how he'd handle Ike is silly anyway, Seldon couldn't take a punch for **** and was a *****.

 

Bowe won 2 of 3 against an ATG. Ike won the battle of most overrated heavyweights ever. I'll take Bowe.

 

You dumb.

Bowe has ONE controversial razor close decision loss on his record. His chin is above and beyond weak. Period. As a matter of fact it is great, if , for example Lewis would have ate the shots Bowe took he would have been counted out more than the two times he was iced by one shot. Fact.

Bowe had also great recup powers because he actually has gotten up from flush shots and won his fight with Holyfield.

Even a lazy ,unmotivated and plain washed up/shot Bowe in the second fight,could not be finished by Golata, lol, why the **** you think Golata kept going low in BOTH fights ? Because he could not handle the fact that he hit Bowe with his best shots and Riddick kept on coming................no low blows and Golata either quits or gets ko'ed, no doubt in my mind.

Bowe fought a very agressive style with plenty of offense and took chances behind a solid jab and relied on his chin to succeed with what came thru.

BTW, his defense is way better than the current casual boxing fans favorite Pacman........Bowe was never as swollen up, cut, busted up or had broken eardrums against carefully handpicked opponents.

 

I agree. I think Ibeabuchi's defence might be lacking, but the same is true about Bowe. It would also be interesting to see Ike against a taller, bigger man because both of his biggest opponents were around 6 ft tall.

This one would be a war. Not sure who wins, but i'd love to see it.

 

You obviously dont understand what I said, go back and read. I wasnt comparing the two, only in physical stature, and yes I believe Seldon had a better jab than Ike. Ike hadnt been matched with a tall rangy boxer yet either, only points I was making. The fight was posted to show how Bowe could setup his righthand against a shorter guy that comes forward, because even though Seldon was a ***** he came forward in that fight.

 

The facts on Bowe was that he was knocked out cold in multiple bouts as a amateur. Not stopped, KO'ed .. this was always his huge question mark. Look at the way Lewis tore him apart in four minutes n the Olympics. His management made sure to steer clear of big punchers however possible.

They gave up a title rather than fight Lennox Lewis. They never fought Tyson, Mercer, Morrison or any big puncher. Holyfield was a great fighter but not a huge puncher at heavyweight. Neither was Golata who hurt him badly.

 

I dumb ? :hey I guess if a brilliant mind like yourself determines so ...

 

Wrong. He didnt tear through Bowe in the olympics, the fight was close, and prematurely stopped really. Bowe was down twice as a pro and got up to win both times.
Your assessment of so called punchers he didnt face is wrong too. Mercer was a huge puncher? How so? He avoided Morrison and Tyson?
Same old ignorant **** on this board. :dead

 

Fair enough. I just wouldn't look too much into it.

 

SLight difference in chin, with Ike having 1 of the best ever and Seldon's being 1 of the worst. I like Seldon, give him an Iron Chin, he could have been great. He had everything except a chin

I almost believed your sparring story, until you went to the extreme level of BS 'Kirk Johnson was regularly putting Ike down with ease' Yes toe-toe taking Tuas best for 12 with no flinching and Kirk (I couldnt put down Ruiz) Johnson puts him down routinely with ease, while wearing head gear, ok

As for the fight itself, I do actually favour Bowe, with his more varied arsenal, but think it would be a hell of a war and close, Bowe would make the mistake of giving up range and fighting inside as was his style

 

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Another excellent observation. I thought Byrd was definetly getting the better of Ike before he got way too cute and cocky on the ropes. I would have loved to have seen a rematch had not Ike lost his mind. Byrd said he learned from that loss and got much better at protetcing himself against big men on the ropes, I think even Tua would have caught him that night as well.

 

Call Curtis Cokes and then get back to me. I dont make **** up man.

 

Also you guys need to understand something. Sometimes fighters go into a fight and they just cant be knocked out. I dont know if its a mindset or a focus, but sometimes fighters can be mentally dialed in and prepared to take punches. For example Jeff Wooden who also fought Tua and took bombs for 10 rounds went the distance and lost a razor close fight with Tua.
Ike was wobbled by Tua a few times but yes he showed a good chin just as Wooden did who had been knocked out by lessor fighters in previous fights.
Ike was just not proven enough in 20 fights.

 

Bowe's chin is very good. It's true that he never proved it against an elite puncher, but he took a shitload of punishment from Holyfield, Golota and several others, including Hide. His chin is solid at worst.

He might be susceptible to the higher level/concussive type of punchers in the same way that Frazier could absorb a lot of punishment until he fought Foreman, but that is speculation.