Kostya Tszyu Extremely Overrated

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  1. buster007

    buster007 FAB 4 R A GAY PORN CLUB Full Member

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    no way he is overrated!

    he might not have delahoya,mayweather on his resume but he had the ability to give them hell if he fought them.

    he is rated highly because of his skill level, not just who is on his resume.

    just watch some of the fights he was in, you'll be a fan too.

    people go on about 'yeah but he lost to phillips by ko' and try and put him down, but lets remember that pacman was ko'd by fighters that were low achievers. it happens to the best fighters usually at some point.
     
  2. 8count

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    overrated maybe, but definitely not "extremely".

    He was a good fighter who had that right hand that won him the fight against Judah (who was outboxing him). Very spectacular.
     
  3. slantone

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    in terms of skill he was a crafty guy who wasnt slick but oh so clever.

    look at his amateur fight with vernon forest to see how good a boxer he was. vernon was a master boxer and taller and longer and yet kostya slipped and out jabbed him.

    he was a master and the counter right over the jab. he would often get into jabbing range- just so that the jab would touch his forehead, and allow himself to get touched, to give the other man confidence, and drop his right hand. he d then repeat it- and this time anchor his right hand over and drop the man with his heavy right. people only see two hand s flying and think thats basic. its not. it takes great timing and distance and spacing to fight like kostya. they think that if you re not slipping and sliding like roy and floyd then you re a basic boxer or a slugger. kostya was a master boxer. you guys dont know anything about boxing.

    mayweather himself "Kostya Tszyu is one of the few boxers who i respect"

    that wouldve been a great fight at 140 , when floyd first entered the division after he beat gatti.

    another quote from floyd junior:

    "I think Ricky Hatton has been promoted extremely well. Everyone he's beaten had a rough career and was pretty much over the hill. When a guy is over the hill and worn down that's what happens. I truly believe they caught Kostya Tszyu at the right time. He was off for so long and all he fought was Sharmba. And we saw he had Sharmba beat before the fight even started. Sharmba was still intimidated by him from the first fight."

    "Zab could've beaten Tszyu if he would have got inside and tied him up. Tszyu doesn't have the best chin and he doesn't like fighting.
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    One thing Tszyu does got is a good equalizer, he could punch. But from what I saw all they were doing was wrestling with each other."

    so anyway- thats floyd mayweather juniors opinion of kostya tzyu- that he was a tactical fighter. but hey - you guys probably know more, what the **** does he know right?
     
  4. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    great fighter.

    shame he didn't comeback and try to earn a floyd mayweather fight.

    would have been fascinating to see those 2 fight.

    tszyu beat plenty of slick american fighters in the amateurs. :hey

    wonder what he would have made of floyd. :yep
     
  5. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guy's timing was great, very underrated attribute.
     
  6. VIP

    VIP Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree that in terms of his resume he ain't that great. But in terms of skills he's right up there plus he has that KO power. He has great amateur pedigree and was the 1st fighter to unify 140 lbs. No one is calling him the greatest fighter but he's shoe in for the HOF.
     
  7. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    Yeah, that was a masterclass of boxing.

    His couldn't rely on his famed power. He simply relied on awesome skill - and turned it into a one sided exhibition. Against Forest of all people.

    There is no way he is over-rated.

    But I think everyone would have to acknowledge that he wasn't the complete fighter. He lost to fighters who weren't as good as he was, simply because they had the exact wrong style for him.

    Now, for example, I can't see PBF losing the same way. Sure Floyd may have styles that he is less comfortable facing, but he will find a way to win anyway. It's the difference between a truly great fighter (Kostya) and an ATG (PBF).
     
  8. madkillaz692000

    madkillaz692000 Fuerte y Abundante Full Member

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    hm..just a bit overrated. but a very good fighter to watch.
     
  9. josjbp23

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    He was just too mechanical for my taste. His ametuer days were different, once he became pro he relied too much on his hopes of getting a ko all the time so he did not box as well as he did in the ametuers. Yes he had a great right hand, but to call him slick is a little too much. He had the typical mechanical euro style, which worked for him. But I do not think he had a lot of skill. W/O that right hand he had nothing. If you took away his right hand he could not beat you with any other punch. As far as his chin it was average. I enjoyed watching him fight because he was gonna get a ko more than likely, but I just don't think he was all that skillfull. He was very strong though.

    Someone mentioned he would of given DLH and PBF a hard fight. I find that hard to believe. DLH jab would of easily confued KZ, because he had no head movement, DLH left hook would of easily found its mark because KZ always fought with his hands low. DLH combinations would been landed 3 to 4 vs KZ one at a time. DLH by ko in 8. PBF would of easily outboxed him w/ his speed and footwork and probably stopped him in a manner resembling Corrales,tko in 10. Any fighter w/any amount of speed would give him fits.

    I would of liked to see a prime KZ fight Cotto or Corrales maybe even a prime Castillo. I think even Gatti (under the guidance of Buddy Mgguirt) would of possibly outboxed him. Regarding the Chavez fight, KZ would of lost to Chavez in Chavez's prime. Chavez would of beat him down and stopped him late.
     
  10. dubfire

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    Once more with feeling :yep
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  11. Suga

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  12. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    world amatuer champ, dominated his division for a decade, unified the titles, stopped almost everyone he beat. lost 2 fights in his whole career both of which were close, hard fought wars..
    yep overated :patsch
     
  13. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I think this is a pretty fair way to look at him. Good comment.
     
  14. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you kidding me? Gatti outbox him? Any fighter with speed would give him fits? Man, you didn't watch enough of his fights. And saying his right hand was all he had.:patsch
     
  15. FORMIDABLE

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    Kostya Tszyu vs Corrales? WTF? Tszyu would've crushed Corrales, no disrespect.
    And Castillo? He was a lightweight, Tsyzu would've knocked him out quicker than Hatton did. Gatti outboxing him? That's a joke right? I prayed they would never make this fight as, with Arturo being the warrior he was, Kostya would've done some serious damage to Gatti.

    The fights he should've had were against DLH, Mosley, Mayweather and Cotto. For whatever reason they didn't happen. Tszyu would've stood a good chance in all of those fights imo, and i think he'd beat Cotto and Mosley.

    He had a great career, ruled his division for the most part of a decade. The big fights eluded him, but he had some impressive wins, highlighted by his stoppages of Judah and against Sharmba Mitchell in their rematch, where he was written off by many before each fight.

    His losses were down to bad style matchups, Hatton and Phillips pressuring him every second and not allowing him to get extension on his powerful punches. I think he could've won those fights had he chose to box, but instead he wanted to stand his ground and try to beat them at their own fight which was doomed to failure.

    I don't think he is overrated, no one's saying he's a top ten ATG or that he's the best of his generation. He clearly was one of the best in his generation though on skill alone and is top 5 all tiime @ 140 imo.