Mayweather & Pacquiao are the last elite fighters of this era................

Devon alexander and amir khan. Like him or hate him you cannot deny he has skills and with his ever improving defence under roach he can be a forced to be reckoned with in a few years

 

gary russell jr. Is the future!

 

How about Nonito Donaire Jr.? He's already #4 P4P and he's the youngest among the current top 10 P4P boxers. He's also in a stacked talented division (bantam) that can help him propel to the top if he keeps on winning.

 

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This idiot didn't even read the thread. All he saw were the words mayweather and pacquiao in the title and he started spouting all his **** right away.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Erislandy Lara is being forgotten here.

This up and coming superstars need to make their moves now. Pac and Floyd are almost retiring and this year is the perfect timing to make their name known to the mainstream media.

 

Very skilled fighter (I love that counter left hook) but The Ring putting him number 4 P4P is crazy considering his opposition post-Darchinyan hasn't been that great. He has the potential to become an elite once he proves he can beat tougher competition like Montiel. Probably wouldn't get too famous though because casual fans don't really give a **** about the lower divisions.

 

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They are the last ones doing exceptional from their era. They both won their first titles at the tail end of the 90's and other greats and champions from that time have since retired, or been relegated to trailhorses.

Hopkins is a great fighter and so crafty but he isnt elite to me anymore, once he faces prime young lightheavyweights, he is in trouble. Dawson is the class of that weight and the future.

Jones, DLH, bARRERA, Morales, Tapia, Ayala, Hamed, Trinidad, Vargas have all had a fall from grace with Mosley being the sole one scratching to maintain his elite status.....although I say he retires this year or next....nothing left to proof unless he can get Manny in the ring:-(...wont happen.

 

The way I see it, Pac goes into his fight with Mayweather with major disadvantages:

1) Pac is shorter - 5'6 1/2" vs. 5'8"

2) Pac has shorter reach by 5"

3) Pac is susceptible to counters (see: EVERY fight he's ever had, vs. JMM)

4) Pac is susceptible to left hooks (see: destroyed right ear vs. Cotto)

5) Pac is susceptible to straight rights (see: vs. Morales, vs. Clottey)

6) Pac has known weakness to body attack (KO'd with body shot)

7) Pac hasn't shown ability to fight or handle a fighter moving backwards (see: EVERY fight he's ever had)

Unlike Shane Mosley, Pac doesn't have 1, or 2, or 3, or 4 punch KO power (see: all Pac TKOs... other than Hatton, Pac has not stretched any opponent over 140 pounds and all of them finished the fight on their feet after rounds of flush combinations from Pac. Even at lower weights, Pac TKOs almost all from accumulation)

9) Pac throws a lot, lands a little (Pac's total connect percentage almost always <35%)

10) Pac has no jab, eats the jab (see: every Pac fight, vs. Morrales, vs. Cotto)


These are just the 10 off the top of my head. Now can someone tell me which one of these does NOT play into Mayweather's hands? Can someone provide a SANE argument for why Manny will beat Mayweather if they meet?

Let's look at some other issues:

1) Pac beat DLH and Hatton in more impressive fashion than Floyd - let's look at the tape:

Pac/Hatton @140, Floyd/Hatton @147 - Floyd fought a bigger, stronger version of Hatton. Oh, that's right, 140 was Hatton's "best weight." So, let me get this straight... Pac can move up TWO weight classes from the Diaz fight and be FASTER and MORE COORDINATED while Hatton moves up ONE weight class and suddenly can't fight? Hatton walks around at 190... so am I supposed to believe that having 7 MORE pounds of muscle wouldn't have helped him in his fight against Floyd? And, if that is the case, how is it that Pac can do what almost NO fighter does by going up TWO weight classes and not lose any speed or coordination?

2) Pac/DLH @147, Floyd/DLH @154 - Am I now supposed to believe that Pac beating DLH at 147 was a better win than Floyd beating DLH at 154? DLH walks around at 160-165. He hadn't made 147 in over six years. No question that Floyd's win over a younger, stronger DLH was a better quality win.

3) Pac vs. Cotto @145 catchweight - Pac fought DLH at 147, but made Cotto come down to 145. Why? If the two pounds didn't make a difference, why not fight him at 147?

4) Pac "destroyed" Clottey @147 - OK, Pac throws 1200 punches against a stationary opponent, hammers his body and DOESN'T KO him? Pac's supposedly vicious body attack could not get Clottey to drop his guard... where was all of Pac's vaunted punching power? And how do you land only TWENTY PERCENT against a guy who isn't punching back? Even if you make the excuse that Clottey was in his shell, wouldn't a guy with Pac's supposed power and open access be able to get Clottey to drop his guard?

5) Pac's "KO" power - Other than Hatton, who has Pac KO'd with one punch... or two... or three... or four, etc. DLH and Cotto were still standing after being nailed with flush combination after flush combination. Diaz only succumbed to Pac's assault after 9 brutal rounds of pummeling. Pac stunned Cotto with two flush counters and couldn't get him to sit down even after 12 rounds. Clottey took 1200 of Pac's best and he looked better after the fight than Pac. Shane Mosley has a history of stunning and KOing people with one punch... Pac doesn't. PERIOD.


I'm still trying to figure out why people think Pac will beat Mayweather. Mayweather recuperated immediately after getting hit with two SSM right hands... am I supposed to believe Pac is a harder puncher even though there is absolutely no proof of that?

Let's put the nuthugging behind us and address the issues. If Pac fans are serious, then someone PLEASE offer some RATIONAL reason why Pac will beat Floyd.

 

Not elite -- special. These guys are stomping even 'elite' competition, making them look average.

 

I would have to agree :yep what a twerp....