Monzon's Stamina

Well, he didn't fight aggressively and spent most of the time spoiling or backing off against many opponents. Partially because of his size, he never ran into anyone who could force him into making the kind of manoeuvres that would drain a fighter.

However, he did have stamina issues against Griffith the second time, where, having absolutely dominated Griffith and looked like a million dollars for the first half of the fight, delivering all manner of sharp combinations (unusual for him), he inexplicably stopped working and basically allowed Griffith to claw back in the right by sheer work-rate.

 

Yeah, indominable will, unflinching mentality. I was especially astonished when he got up off the floor against Valdez. I couldn't believe my eyes, in all honesty: to take a right hand, get knocked down, and then get back up again - it's some of the deepest adversity a man has ever run up against inside the squared circle, and he recovered from it entirely without hassle.

Unbelievable.

 

So what's the story with you? Are you his ******* son, still grieving after all this time about what he did to your mah?

Seriously, what is your deal with Monzon? This goes beyond simply thinking a fighter is overrated. It's like with the poster Pachilles and Duran. I assume he's naught more than a disgruntled fan who, while pining for an autograph as a star-struck lad, was hastily dismissed and never recovered mentally. You, I'm not so sure. Do you think that little of him as a human being that you're willing to completely dismiss him as a fighter? Do you honestly believe that everyone, everywhere else has it wrong about him, and you are the only enlightened one? Get a grip, man. You need to sit back, sip on a nice glass of reality, and calm it down a notch.

 

In Monzon's defense he had recently been shot in the leg by his wife and had great trouble making the weight.

 

No, I'm just a boxing fan interested in this kind of stuff. Shock horror.

I post on Monzon when I think I can make an informative contribution. Since I think people over-rate him in a lot of respects, I end up posting fairly regularly on him. We all have our special interests.

Anyway, it's not as if I mindlessly hate on the guy. I believe there is substance to what I have to say about him. As Stonehands pointed out not long ago:

Go watch Marciano-Walcott I. Or Leonard-Hearns I, or Robinson-Turpin II, or Frazier-Ali and see far more adversity overcome.

There's no doubt that coming back whilst trailing on the cards against a primed-out monster at 147 with the power to derail a freight train and scoring the KO, or having one round to find the stoppage against an ultra-durable H2H nightmare while past your prime and above your best weight, or other such instances, are what really overcoming adversity is all about. Yet Monzon seems to get extraordinary credit for getting up off the floor off a comparatively insubstantial right hand, when it's something that most professional boxers will do on several occasions in their career. That's all.

 

Like Itrymarti (I'd like to know what that name means btw), I belive Monzon to be vastly overrated round here and I've always disliked his style. I really thought he was poor when I first saw him

BUT 1 thing that impresses me about him, and it is 1 of the most important attributes a fighter can possess, is RELAXATION. The more tense you are the quicker you tire, the more relaxed you are the less you tire. Obviously basic stamina is an issue to. But even if a fighter has great stamina, if they throw tense and too intensely or work too hard, they'll tire quick. Monzon was very consistant in his attacks and his pacing, he was a general

 

I heard (mike Casey grear article) he smoked 100 ciggarettes per day and cuted down to 50 while preparing for a fight

 

I tend to think he is a bit overrated aswell..but some of your talk goes beyond just looking at the glass half empty.

I mean picking Hopkins to beat him is fair enough, picking him to absolutely dominate and possibly stop him just reeks of haterade.

 

Monzon is not overrated. He’s one of the greatest ever MW champions. Why anyone would try and say otherwise says everything you need to know about them. You might prefer Hagler or Robinson but if you seriously think Monzon is not one of the greatest fighters in the history of the sport then…

His stamina in part was due to the fact that he rarely threw his shots with full power. Putting everything into every punch will wear you out very quickly.

Regarding training… British fighters traditionally have had short peaks mainly due to the fact that they over-trained. Most world class level Brits would win a title and defend once or twice before their physical performance would begin to dwindle rapidly. Sometimes too much training will burn you out and shorten your career.

 

Was about to say this. Monzon had a very relaxed and clam demeanor in the ring, he only used energy when it was needed as he was so relaxed in their.

Whos that in your avvy? I know the face and 'Superfly' rings a bell just cant mind the name.

Have you seen the second Briscoe fight?

That is the most hurt I have ever seen Monzon, Briscoe really turns on the pressure after a massiv right hand. Monzon is badly hurt but he stands his ground and battles back. He overcame adversity then.

:good Good post.

 

Yes, though the quality leaves a lot to be desired. Monzon did throw an impressive number of power shots in that fight, admittedly.

I never said he didn't.

 

You meaning the quality of the video or the fight. Monzon, from the highlights I seen was very impressive.

I know you nver said that, I was just saying he did overcome adversity.

 

Alberto "Superfly" Sandoval

If you haven't seen him fight, check out his war with Alfonso Zamora. It's actually been uploaded to Youtube somewhat recently. He was cat-quick and pizzazzy, but with the heart of a true Mexican warrior. That was ultimately his downfall as a fighter, though, sadly enough. The Zamora fight illustrates that perfectly. Well worth the viewing, though.

 

That is the fight I watched of him the other day. Absolute classic war.

 

I meant the video quality. It was one of Monzon's best nights out, definitely.