Alexis arguello or carlos monzon?

Arguello. Achieved more and was a better fighter. I think he's slightly over-rated as well, though.

 

If I would be forced to answer I´d pick Monzon.

 

I knew this would happen

 

For me, King Carlos by far. He was unbeaten against all styles as champ and until bad hand problems limited his power, he was a ko guy. I have the Ring from 72 that has the Duran-Buchanon and Monzon-Bouttier fight and Katz describes him as an unstoppable force and an immovable object. Arguello was great but not as versatile as Monzon me thinks. Along w/ Duran, I'd make Monzon the greatest of all Latin fighters and the greatest with Ali and Duran of the last 50 years.

 

Indeed a tough question. Arguello was a champ in 3 different divisions, and almost 4. Monzon was MW king 7 years, and never lost during his prime.

Monzon's among my faves, but Arguello barely edges it, in terms of multi-divisional success.

 

Jesus ****ing Christ.

 

I don't think he was a prizefighter. Who do you have better than Duran, Monzon and Ali since 1960. I

 

A deadly close call. For me, it matters that every single one of Arguello's championship wins was decisive. Only Arturo Leon and Jim Watt lasted the distance in these contests, and those were both clear cut wins with no rematch suggested to settle the question of superiority.

Carlos stopped Griffith the first time, but couldn't take Emile out in a rematch, a rematch Clancy still insists Griff won. (Clancy also claims Valdez was the rightful winner over Monzon.) Carlos also failed to stop Briscoe in a title rematch.

Benvenuti 2X, Valdez 2X, Griffith 2X and Napoles were the champions King Carlos beat.

Arguello beat champions Jose Legra, Rigoberto Riasco, Royal Kobayashi, Escalera 2X, Limon, Chacon, Navarrete, Ramirez, Watt, Mancini, Ganigan, and Costello. In those 13 bouts, only Watt went the distance, and had to get off the floor in the process. Of his 19 title wins, 17 were stoppages. Costello proves that he would have won a fourth divisional title if his manliness didn't compel him to go after the toughest champion the junior welterweight division had. (Even if Alex succeeded in that quest, it would only have been because Duran chose to leapfrog that division straight to Palomino and Montreal.)

 

First of all the implication that Monzon is comparably to Duran and Ali.

Monzon: Valdez X2, Benvenuti X2, Griffith X2, Napoles
Duran: De Jesus X2, Buchanan, Ray Leonard, Palomino, Moore, Cuevas, Barkley, Marcel
Ali: Liston X2, Patterson X2, Frazier X2, Foreman, Norton, Quarry X2

Embarassing disparity there against Carlos.

And the fact that the last two look decidedly superior on film.

Whom I would rate as being above Monzon since around his time: Ray Leonard, Roy Jones, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Thomas Hearns, Floyd Mayweather, Marvin Hagler, Evander Holyfield, Alexis Arguello, Bernard Hopkins, maybe Lewis, and probably several others that I'm too ignorant of to comment on.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

The only one of the name you mentioned who has an argument is Leonard. You are a good poster but when it comes to Monzon you are nearly as bad as Pachilles is when it comes to Duran.

 

Carlos Monzon to me is the most dominant champion ever. He ruled the Middleweightswith an iron grip, and is the best Middleweight ever IMO. He is also one of the best Ring Generals I have ever seen.

I rank Monzon slightly ahead, butmore due to his positives than any negatives on Arguellos part.

 

Not a tough one at all. Monzon all the way. Alexis was very good, but not in Monzon's league.

 

Yeah that's pretty much how I see it.

I've thought about this before and I find it really hard to put Arguello ahead. It's close though, no doubt.



p.s Anarci, stop shouting with your caps

 

Joe Frazier in his book "Box Like Pros" calls Carlos Monzon the greatest fighter of the 1970s.

He ranks Monzon above Ali, Duran, himself, Arguello, etc.

Quite an endorsement from a fellow ATG.