Finally Floyds back on top where he belongs

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  1. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    By Cliff Rold
    After a win which was dominant both in terms of skill and physical mastery, Floyd Mayweather made clear what was hinted at in his win over Juan Manuel Marquez
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    last year.
    He’s back.

    More to the point, he never really left. When he played like he had for a brief period between 2008 and 2009, he was seen by many as the best fight in the world pound-for-pound with only one real competitor.
    Nothing has changed and anyone who sees a discernible gap between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao is probably really saying one of two things:

    1) Who their personal favorite between the two is; and/or
    2) Who they think would win a fight between the two.

    That’s it. Given that both have separated from the pack across multiple divisions and at Welterweight, that they are contemporaries who can make a real rather than imaginary ‘pound-for-pound’ fight, it all comes down to a question borrowed in paraphrase from Mayweather-Mosley.
    Who would you be picking?

    In terms of accomplishments, competition, and dominance they just aren’t that far apart. Mayweather beat Mosley by a score of no less than 10-2; Pacquiao beat Miguel Cotto last year while losing maybe three rounds before stopping him in the twelfth. Cotto beat Mosley about 7-5 a few years ago, making his edge approximately the rounds difference of control between Mayweather-Mosley and Pacquiao-Cotto.

    Pacquiao has made title claims in more weight classes generally (seven) and lineally (a record four) than Floyd (five and three). Floyd has the singular best title reign of either so far, posting a historically significant run at Jr. Lightweight. And, while lagging behind Pacquiao in terms of divisions competed in, he’s bested more current or former titlists (15 to 12) and more current or former lineal World Champions among them (eight to five). If one considers the Mayweather-Mosley fight as legitimately for lineal honors at Welterweight, in spite of Floyd’s ‘good on him’ refusal to pay WBA sanctioning fees, he also has won more title fights, stretching to 19-0 versus Pacquiao’s 13-1-2.

    Against common opponents, Pacquiao was more dominant against Oscar De La Hoya
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    and Ricky Hatton after they had lost to Mayweather; Mayweather was more dominant against a Juan Manuel Marquez who took Pacquiao to the wall twice in a draw and loss. What each man took out of those foes, and what mitigating circumstances might have existed, are open for debate. The results are not.

    The bottom line: discussion of the best fighter in the world across all seventeen of boxing’s weight classes is a two-man race. The rest of the world is playing for third and is well lapped by the men up top. Thinking from the perspective of a fan, Pacquiao might rate ahead. His fights are usually more thrilling, an electricity not seen since the heyday of Mike Tyson. Thinking clinically, Mayweather is the best technician since the prime of Pernell Whitaker.

    If it all comes down to who would be most likely to win a clash between the two, and after the Mosley win it’s the only sincere way to analyze the race, then it’s put it in language *********** readers can appreciate.
    Skills pay bills.

    1) Floyd Mayweather (41-0, 25 KO)


    2) Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KO)


    3) Paul Williams (38-1, 27 KO)


    4) Chad Dawson (29-0, 17 KO)

    5) Sergio Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KO)

    6) Juan Manuel Marquez (50-5-1, 37 KO)

    7) Fernando Montiel (41-2-2, 31 KO)

    8) Timothy Bradley (25-0, 11 KO)

    9) Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (75-3-1, 39 KO)

    10) Ivan Calderon (33-0-1, 6 KO)

    Five More Who Could Easily Be Here: Chris John, Nonito Donaire, Anselmo Moreno, Bernard Hopkins, Lucian Bute
    Five More Who Could Be Here Shortly: Andre Ward, Yuriorkis Gamboa, Juan Manuel Lopez, Celestino Caballero, Devon Alexander


    http://boxingp4plist.com/


    The full top 10 by SportingLife.com is as follows:

    1 - Floyd Mayweather Jr
    2 - Manny Pacquiao
    3 - Juan Manuel Marquez
    4 - Bernard Hopkins
    5 - Miguel Cotto
    6 - Chad Dawson
    7 - Shane Mosley
    8 - Paul Williams
    9 - Juan Manuel Lopez
    10 - Yuriorkis Gamboa



    BOXREC
    World active P4P ratings

    1
    Floyd Mayweather Jr
    2
    Manny Pacquiao
    3
    Wladimir Klitschko

    4
    Bernard Hopkins

    5
    Vitali Klitschko
    6
    Chad Dawson

    7
    Paul Williams


    8
    Shane Mosley

    9
    Juan Manuel Marquez

    10
    Lucian Bute
     
  2. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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  3. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    Man, look at the rest of the top ten, and tell me if being on top of THAT list really helps your argument that Floyd should be number one.

    If anything it hurts it.

    Wlad number three? Vitali 5? Hopkins 4, BUTE 10??????



    Boxrec is good for information but they have the shittiest rankings around.

    For ****s sake, Ward is still behind Kessler in their eyes.


    Keith
     
  4. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    BS

    sporting life dont mean **** and boxec is a computerised system with the most outrageous rankings going,

    We all KNOW that the ring is the real P4P rating and Floyds boss owns that and even they dont put mayweather on top, not by beating grandpa thats for sure, hes gotta fight mann but of course he wont
     
  5. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    Before the Mosley fight nobody had him #1, so now mutha****a's startin' ta wake up, about damn time.
     
  6. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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    And Pacquiao is creeping up behind him from the rear.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    It's the boxrec rankings that have the real credibility here. They are unbiasedly developed by a "computer" aka a ***** leprechaun that Ellerbe used to bang in the eighties with a penchant for shrooms and a love of rating fighters. The leprechaun's name is Shawn. Shawn the leprechaun also has a webcam where you can watch him pee gold into a pot for forty-nine ninety-five. But, alas, that is neither here nor there and Mayweather is back on top. All that matters.


    Caution: Shawn is not a real leprechaun, he's just a short Irish midget who likes gold.
     
  8. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    So which one are you in this picture?

    (*****s celebrating after Floyd victory over Old man shane.)

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  9. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    No one outside Mayweather fans have him at number one now either.


    And I'm not a Mayweather hater, but I don't see how beating Mosely gets him ahead of Pacqiaou, especially since he just recently beat Cotto, who beat Mosely.

    It's a lesser win by all means.


    Keith
     
  10. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    Dude stop showing Footage from ya family reunion...

    I'm not in this picture, cause I'm over ya girlfirends house ****in her in da ass...and gettin my dick sucked...:drink


    You know she was giving it up the whole time you were deployed right?...:yep
     
  11. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    Any person or website, T.V. or radio program, or news publication that gives Floyd any credit gets ripped apart by you haterz....
     
  12. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    the edited portion has good reasoning...still wouldnt argue for either fighter though because i mean both really can b number one...just depends on how u look at it.
     
  13. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    Look at the rest of the rankings, you know the guys NOT name Floyd Mayweather, and tell us if they make ANY ****ing sense to you.

    If you watch boxing other than Floyd, they will not.

    Then you can logically derive that if a majority of their ranking do not make sense, then maybe thier top pick does not make sense either.

    Keith
     
  14. J.R.

    J.R. No Mames Guey Full Member

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  15. Suga

    Suga Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxrec is a joke.