in the street it does explode but if a boxer wants an mma fighter he needs to keep moving have a good sprawl and probably a good doctor because a submission happens so quick if you have zero ground game, even in the street, but i do always say the best way out of a submission is alot of punches to the face.
wow alot of you have never been in a fight b4 it would seem, if a boxer wants to win he needs to keep moving, work on a sprawl and get a real good doctor. a submission happens so quick if you dont have n e ground game. I box and fight in the cage but a boxer would be like a turtle on his back just hangin arms an legs every where probably would stand up an give u his back, then its goodnight, an i ve seen many wana b tough guys go down for thinking they knew how to fight. but i do always say the best way out of a submission is many many punches to the face and a high pain theshold, because u have a very short time b4 your on the ground looking really stupid and pissed your self cause u got choked out
:rofl Its so true. I mean how on earth did the BJJ guys and wrestlers manage to clean up early no holds bared everything and I mean everything goes tournies. Idiots.
I always find it funny when people think that boxers somehow have this miraculous dirty fighting resource that will cancel out all of the BJJ guys training if the fight went to the ground. Newsflash: all the street fighting 'techniques' that supposedly render ground fighting useless are tools that are also available to those who are trained in ground fighting.
Best strategies 1. Wear your boxing gloves 2. Use a mouthpiece 3. Headgear 4. Boxing Ring 5. Ref 6. Marquess of Queensberry rules
A boxer's best weapon is KNOWLEDGE. A boxer would evaluate an opponent from the waist up not expecting kicks. A boxer would not expect to be shot on. Without that knowledge he loses. Point blank. If a boxer has take down defense, can judge foot placement to keep an MMA fighter out of kicking position, and can close distance with good footwork? He sparks out an MMA fighter with a few good shots.
Indeed. And what these dirty fighting proponents don't get is that the grappler has a vastly better ability to implement these techniques. If a grappler gets knocked down and mounted by the boxer who's about to gouge his eyes out, he can reverse that position and gain the upper hand almost instantly. If he's standing with the boxer he can choose when to take the boxer down and get into position to rip his balls off or crush his throat or whatever the sadistic ******* he is wants. Both men may have thumbs that can be forced into another's eye socket, but the grappler chooses if and when he can use that and can vastly better avoid it being done to him. I've only done a few months of BJJ back when I was in NZ and could afford it, and I'm rusty as ****, but just a few weeks ago I demonstrated some submissions to a few MMA curious boxers at a gym here in Saigon. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to have them perfectly controlled, unable to move, for me to have their arm where I can break it at will or their brain no more than a few seconds away from unconsciousness because I control its blood supply and they don't know what to do. They're panicked and they've got nothing. They don't know what I'm doing and it's done too quickly for them to do anything about it. And I'm practically a novice. I'd get owned in two seconds flat if I stepped back onto the mats at a BJJ training center. Sometimes I wonder if the MMA forum on this board should be restricted to people who can verify they've at least once attended and practiced a class with a trained grappler.
The best strategy for a boxer is the same as it is for any individual - to fight to one's strengths. However - lacking an understanding of the totality of combat is a hindrance for anyone facing an opponent that understands all of the ranges and phases of combat. Hand to hand combat is comprised of boxing, kicking, wrestling, and submissions. Understanding one area is good against an untrained individual - but those that understand them all will have the advantage. Like Sun Tzu says in the art of war "the general that knows the terrain will have the advantage." Fighters that think they can just pull dirty tricks out of the hat to counter various martial arts are delusional. In jiujistsu you learn to counter all of the basic dirty trick tactics such as hair pulling, biting, groin attacks, eye gouging and so on with technique. I'm always a proponent of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do over any other basic style as they espouse the philosophy of understanding all the ranges of combat which includes everything from boxing to jiujitsu as well as training for street lethal reality which means - not just talking about using dirty tactics - but making them part of one's training and building those moves into one's combinations. As any experienced fighter will tell you - the way you train is the way you will fight. In this regard - even a "complete" mixed martial artist is not a complete martial artist as they do not train with regards to street lethality. This is something I try to talk about in my thread about Jeet Kune Do - but people keep ruining the thread by turning it into an argument about Bruce Lee fighting in MMA which is a nonsensical argument. One might as well ask how Godzilla would do in the UFC because it would make about as much sense.
I don't know exactly what you mean by "street lethality" but if you think most street fights are fights to the death you are way way wrong.