prime ali vs. prime holmes

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People that say Ali could be outjabbed need nothing more than to watch him school one of the most under rated fighters of the era, 6'6 Ernie Terrell, to rethink their stand.

 

Holmes couldn't knock down an old ali so there's no way that I can see him doing it to a prime ali.

 

Agreed.... Plus, Ali was not really out-jabbed by Norton; Ali's jab was more so nulified by Norton's stance / crossed armed defense.......

And I say the same about Holmes as well..... Timmy Spoon replicated Norton in 1983...... And Holmes had problem with a 25 year old Carl Williams in '85.... Williams was green, but young, fast and a great jabber....

Other than that, Ali & Holmes were the KINGS of STING!!:bbb

MR.BILL:hey:good

 

Ali takes a comfortable decision. Holmes was fustrated by opponents who jabbed and moved and Ali was the best that ever did this. Even in the 7th round of their "fight" you could see holmes getting fustrated when an old and slow ali was dancing and he was nothing close to what he was in his prime. Holmes wouldn't know what to do and would have to rely on his corner to help him. Ali needed no such help and was his own strategist.

Holmes jab might trouble ali a bit in the first couple of rounds only untill ali adjusted to him. When this happened it would be downhill for holmes because ali's resourcefullness and creativity would kick in. Ali would start to pull away after 10 rounds while a fustrated and confused holmes would ineffectively try to chase ali. Ali wins by a 10-5 margin.

 

Ali sparred with holmes right?
they wouldn't need to feel eachother out at all, this would be a fight from start to finish. holmes said in the "dinner with the champs", that he could counter ali's left jab and fire the right hand.
I don't think so... besides, Ali often went east in sparring.

on a side note, I coulda sworn I saw holmes' face after Ali defeated foreman. was he one of the ones to enter the ring to congradulate Ali?

 

I don't really favor anyone over a prime Ali...but if I were to, I'd probably pick Holmes... Not counting Valuev, as that's just not fair to Ali.

 

Holmes hardly ever cut, and his stylistic flaw to the right hand is a tad over blow.

Ali in fact has less technically sound than Holmes. Ali had no uppercut, seldom went to the body, and did not have a good hook.

Holmes threw every punch well to the head or body, and IMO had a better jab, and higher punch out put, which could very well earn him a close decision on the cards.

However Ali's name seems have earned him some points on cards, so Holmes even if he did win might get the shaft as he did in the 2nd spinks fight.

 

Holmes by a descison,his arsenal is a bit more polished and he was very good to the body,on the inside and the outside,remembering what Fraizer did to Ali's body in the 2nd fight,Holmes could even do that from the outside and he just would not have taken the all the punches Fraizer hit Ali with,Holmes would have punished Fraizer and had him out of there before the 14th round,and Holmes had the best jab in boxing history outside of Greg Paige he had pretty much every tool a fighter could have,Holmes is the most complete heavyweight in boxing history and knowone knows that better than Ali,its a shame he dosent get the ATG rspect that he really deserves.

 

I love Larry.He's #2 p4p heavyweight in my opinion.But Muhammed is no1 and Larry would have to come forward against Muhammed,something that takes Larry out of his comfort zone.

 

This is a good one. If Holmes could throw his jab and not leave himself open he's got a good chance. Timing his jab similar to what Ken Norton did will throw Ali's timing off. But if Holmes can't get that jab back fast enough Ali is going to crush him.

 

Ali would win. He fought during a superior era and met and defeated the better opposition. Ali's rapid fire right cross, as Q pointed out, would find the mark and damage Holmes' eyesocket. Ali by either UD or possibly stops Holmes late.

 

Ali would beat Holmes by unanimous decision in a tough fight.

 

So is Liston, besides his footspeed.

 

Ali by hard-fought, difficult decision. I think stylistically Holmes would be hard for Ali.