F***-off

........Actually Pac was hammering Clotteys body. And don't think I am blaming Floyd for the fight being dull, it was mosley who wouldnt enguage and came in nervous, just as how it was Clottey who made the fight against Pac boring and showed up just wanting to survive.

 

There is absolutely no way an objective person can say that the Pac-Clottey fight was as exciting as the Floyd-Shane fight.


I'm like the only Clottey fan left in the world, but I still think the fight was much more of a bore than the Shane-Floyd one. And it wasn't really Pac's fault. I have to put more of the blame on Clottey.

 

lol whats with the shah rukh khan avatar pic man

 

Can u imagine Mayweather asked for catchweights this forum would b going nuts :rasta

 

The ts makes an excellent point. I don't want to see either of those fights at all. And I fail to see how foreman will bring in more money then bradley or even alexander.

 

he already did. floyd has as many catchweight fights as pacquiao. the difference is floyd did not honor his and weighed over.

 

NO because it is healthier for a fighter to have the option to add whatever weight he wants as opposed to a fighter that is already big having to take weight off...specifically when you will be taking off muscle weight. When Floyd moved up to 154, despite weighing under 150 for fight-night at WW, he moved up to face Oscar and didn't bulk up. He just fought at whatever was comfortable for him. That's your example.

Look, Pac moved up from 135 to 147 but he wasn't a 135 pounder by fight-time. Even Roach mentioned this. At 152, Pac's body fat was low according to Roach. During camp, they would get him down to around 147 for fight-night. What fighters do is take weight off weight for the scales then put it back on for the fight. Which was surprising how bad Oscar was because he couldn't even rehydrate his body. He was walking around below 150. That is crazy. But NO, not Pac's fault.

Nobody said anything when Oscar was a 154/JrWW who increased his weight above 160 against Floyd who was showing up for fights under 150 at Welter-weight. On that night, I think he only weighed 150 tops.

Shane Mosley jumped from 135 to 147.

We can go through a list of fighters that jumped up in weight.
If you want, we can go way back and start listing off small fighters that didn't care about weight-classes and were fighting men of all different size. Little guys fighting HWs for example. Now that is crazy.
Or even small HWs fighting Super-HWs.


That was Oscar's fault and he deserved what he got against Pac.

I never hyped that fight up. I really didn't see it as suicide. I actually listen more to what Freddie Roach has to say than most it seems. Freddie is good at picking opponents, especially at the right time.

And Oscar was coming down in weight. He screwed up so bad with that preparation he ended up coming in around 147 on fight-night. Now that was crazy.


For some reason, when people hype of fights, then tend to remember that person at their best. But when was the last time Oscar fought at 147?

Imagine if Pac had to go back down to 125 right now.

Roach listed name after name of fighters in history that failed to come back down in weight.

It's even weird how fighters don't pay attention to history. We had 3 examples of recent fighters trying to do the same before that fight happened: Roy Jones Jr, Tarver, and Chris Byrd. All failed.

 

I think i would as well at 154 especially if Cotto comes through Foreman and looks good

 

Looking at ESB, the overwhelming majority of the posters have blasted the idea of Pacquiao fighting Margarito or Cotto. So Darryl I don’t know why you’re choosing to believe everyone is ok with these match-ups, because evidently they’re not! If he can’t get Mayweather in to the ring, then we want him to brutalize Bradley. That’s it.

 

The double standard lies in the fact that people have not known what to expect from Pacquiao. In his last several fights, he was not expected to perform as he did. Its because he exceeded expectations and surprised a lot of folk out there that there is a perception that he has proven himself. The fashion in which he won his last several fights contributes greatly to the fanaticism surrounding him and his 'good guy' persona adds to it. There is a perception that Pacquiao took on the biggest challenges he could have taken, although when analyzed, that's not necessarily the case. It seems that people are not curious about Pacquiao at this point. He has lost, he has been exposed, he has had battles in which he's shown heart; even if these challenges were only allowed for by the flaws in his fight game or chincks(misspelled because of filter) in his armor, they seem to be perceived as the battle scars of a champion.

Mayweather on the other hand has had very few battles in his career. Most of his victories have come in one-sided if not dominant fashion. He's not flashy, he doesn't get your adrenaline pumping when you watch him fight...he's a technical fighter concerned more with efficiency than crowd satisfaction. The fact that he hasn't had those signature battles that seem to define legends can be attributed either, to his dominance, or his avoidance of fights capable of producing those fireworks depending on the perspective of the observer. People who don't believe he's as good as advertised naturally will be persuaded to the former; they have questions about him which are still in their minds unanswered. Additionally, the persona of Mayweather is not endearing to much of the boxing media and public, therefore the 'bad guy' persona he exemplifies carries over into the perception of him and his accomplishments. To the same extent people love Manny Pacquiao, they hate Floyd Mayweather... or maybe its 'Money' Mayweather that they hate.

If the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight falls apart, the sentiment of fans will likely be that Mayweather is the cause, which will translate into his 'dodging' of the fight. Because of what most of these fans already believe of Mayweather(that he avoids challenges), he will be in a position where nothing less than an elite opponent for his next fight will be acceptable.

Manny Pacquiao is the beneficiary of lower expectation, while Mayweather is a slave to expectations he never seems to fully satisfy.

 

Agree with the author.

Look at the past 5 fights from both fighters

Baldomir - Probably 20lbs heavier than Floyd on the night
De La Hoya - At 154lbs, probably over 160 on the night at his perfect weight
Hatton - Undefeated, looked healthy and hugry as ever
Marquez - The guy who probably beat Pacquiao, but not officially.. Floyd schooled this guy
Mosley - Ok 38 years old but, smashed up Margarito who smashed up Cotto. Amazing hand speed and hardest hitter at 147 and schooled by Floyd

Diaz - A total mismatch, David who?
De La Hoya - Weighed in at a weight which seems alien to him in past 7 years.. weighed in 145 on fight day, drained and old
Hatton - Looked drained and unhealthy at weigh in, even he said he peaked too early
Cotto - At catch weight for such a big welter, not same since Marg beating.
Clottey - Who the ****? No latteral, head or foot movement. Doesn't throw enough.. human punch bag!


Basically Manny's last 5 opponents have been totally hand picked for him. How Manny Poochiao won the best fighter of the decade is beyond my imagination. His peformances against Erik Moralles II & III were superb, along with him dismantling Marco Antonio Barerra.. In my eyes he lost to Marquez twice who gave him an absolute schooling and his last 5 opponents have been totally hand picked!

As for Floyd Mayweather, his last 5 opponents have been much closer and much harder to predict. The undefeated, facing Oscar at HIS weight, facing the WW champion who ****ed up Marg and no one ****s up Marg! Though Marquez was a mismatch, that's only once.. the others were never hand picked. The taller and more powerfull Coralles at 130.. what a ****ing performance by Floyd, no one would have predicted that! The way he gave JLC a rematch due to the first controversial win over him, how he came back against Zab Judah.. a slick southpaw.

Manny's next opponent if not Floyd, would be another who is hand picked. It wouldn't be Alexander or Bradley.. risk is too big losing to a fighter not known well around the globe, so it'll be Margarito a top rank fighter, money in Arums pockets = all that matters.. for his sake!

 

Floyd didn't ask for the cathcweight, JMM did. Floyd had no reason to ask for a catchweight. Manny has actually been stripped of a title for failing to make weight.

 

Sorry but Cotto-Pac was a plastering. Theres no way Cotto should be allowed fight him again.

Also the promotion for that fight is non existent for the public.

 

Actually, Pacquiao landed more punches on Clottey (hitting gloves doesn't count as a landed punch) than Mayweather landed on Mosley.

Check the stats

 

And JMM could have backed out.

Floyd's camp was always hush hush on the topic. Even some saying it was a "Welterweight Fight" but nobody knew exactly if that meant 147 or lower. People were expecting a "catch-weight."

And Floyd's intentions were never made public to try to drain the fighter to gain the advantage like Roach was doing. He wanted the same for both Shane and Floyd at one time. That's why the fight with Shane didn't come off. Shane didn't want to fight at 142.

Coming up in weight is easier than losing weight. You don't have to add weight you don't need. That's why you stuff your pockets if you do need to make weight for the scales. It's been done before.
You would also have to go by what JMM actual weight is by fight-time to see how much weight he actually gained for the fight.