He was one of the best defensive fighters I've ever seen. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJMLWhXQA_4[/ame]
****ing hell!!!! Ive never seen a tomato can with such skills as tunney. Man these 'tomato cans' are criminally underrated. Im gonna start eating tinned tomatoes!!! Tomato can KO 1 pachilles...
If you believed your "visual evidence" was as solid as you say you would have answered post #62, right?
If Chaplin was the Willie Pep, Buster Keaton was the George Chuvalo. What a chin!! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qzradFgPxU[/ame]
I agree with you...Darn it we agree that a circle is round...To use an analogy, we are waiting for someone to say a circle is "square"... and find them we will... Makes some characters feel important i guess....
To be honest I don't think the visual evidence helps you much. There ios no footage of Greb himself to criticise and some of the people he beat look prety darn good on film e.g. Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Tommy Loughran.
Thats what anoys me about the anti Greb crowd. You cant argue that your favourite fighter has a better resume because people would just laugh at you, so you take the only line of argument that you can by arguing that everybody from that era was crap so it dosnt matter what he achieved. The fact that you have to somehow break the best fighters of Grebs era down to the level of a tomato can, merely shows how much ground you have to make up before your favourite fighter is anything other than a pygmie next to Greb.
I started this thread because of another on a different forum. Another poster told me plenty of people were of the same opinion as himself, that Greb's comp wasn't very good. He was in the very small minority with his opinion on that board so I thought I'd put his words to the test and ask it here. Same results with the same simple minded excuses about film is what I found. I don't post here very often, but Im going to try to more. Seems like a lot of very informed posters on this board and not a lot of flaming. I like that.
I say theres no footage on Greb to prove his greatness...you say theres footage of his opponents...i say they look like ****...you say it tells us nothing because theres none on Greb:huh
It bears repeating- There is no footage of Abraham Lincoln, but we ACCEPT his greatness by his DEEDS and WORDS...For example ----Just looking at Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton, does the doubting Thomases, think that they walked and boxed any different than today...They were both great athletes when not in comedy...One other thing I must say to whoever it fits... In the the thousands of years of civilization of man, fifty or 100 years is like a GRAIN of sand, in a desert...It is the HAND cranked cameras out of sync, that appear to thoughless criticsm making the great old fighters appear primitive...I can assure them that my father and others of the 1920s and before, were just as graceful, and a hell of a lot tougher, than todays primma donnas...