Gambling with Stovepipe

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Stovepipe, Sep 5, 2008.


  1. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ok
     
  2. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :deal

    Meehan has been a full time construction worker and at 40,,,, well you do the math.
     
  3. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    It's not a fight I'd bet on.

    Chagaev hasn't proven himself after coming back from the series of illnesses he had. Kali Meehan while waiting very late in his career to make any sort of move has been in impressive form, is physically very fit and is a big unit... his chin is shaky but he also hits quite hard.

    Everything indicates Chagaev should easily win but a full year out of the ring, combined with some health issues, it's not really something you want to stake $100 to win $14 on, it's the type of bet you avoid due to the risk/reward scenario unless you parlay into several other results.
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    Well just to be prudent I'll wait for the weigh-in and see if I can get something out of it.
     
  5. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You've presented one side of the equation. Meehan is a turd, a tomato can, a club fighter. Yes he has a good right hand, but he hasn't had a meaningful fight in 6 years. He's hasn't fought in 21 months. This fight is a home fight for Chagaev. So unless Meehan lands a lucky punch, which I'm certain Chagaev knows is the only real danger, this fight isn't even close.
     
  6. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, no one likes laying long odds but as a percentage I can't give Meehan more then a 10 percent chance of winning the fight making -650 still a good bet.
     
  7. jordan1

    jordan1 Juan Lopez #1 Full Member

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    Not really! Chagaev their is to many if's I would stay off that fight I looked at that fight and the more I looked at it I stayed off the bet, I don't have a problem laying big odds on a fight I do it all the time I bet the fighter not the odds.
     
  8. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What "ifs" worry you?

    -500 on TehGeek... BTW

    Over/Under 9.5 TehGeek (-140)
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    The "What if's" regarding Chagaev.

    How well did he recover from the loss/beating he took in his last fight?
    How "spent" is he as a force, considering injuries and disease in the last few years of his career?
    How well will he go against a much taller fighter who is in great shape and can bang (unlike Valuev)?
    While Meehan is certainly no Klitschko, he presents similar problems that Klitschko presented without the polish, how does Chagaev respond to that?

    Basically, it's just not worth the risk on a .16%

    .33 or so? Sure, worth putting in a few units and potentially parlaying against other results.
     
  10. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Graham Houston on fight writer presents a case for Meehan defeating Chagaev
     
  11. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    what do you think of Meehan at 4/1?
     
  12. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I almost never disagree with his analysis, but in this case i think he's wrong.
    He did and others hear continue to discount the facts. Meehan is 40. Meehan hasn't fought in almost 2 years. If you watch film on the guy, all he has is a right hand. He's very weak to the body. Even a faded Chagaev, is far better then this guy.

    Meehan, will come running across the ring trying to land his right hand, Chagaev just needs to fight the guy up close negating his long reach. The film I watched didn't show he used a jab much so it won't be difficult to get to the inside. Chagaev hammers that body this is over in 2 rounds.

    Geez, Chagaev has lost one fight and that was to Klitschko. His movement was great at the beginning of that fight so his injury was obviously healed. Chagaev is a Hepatitis B carrier. He isn't sick and doesn't get sick from this virus. Others could possibly get sick from him if they swap bodily fluids. He doesn't have the virus just carries the antigen for the virus. It is a non factor.

    I won't disagree that maybe the odds are a bit long, but to think that Meehan has a real shot in this fight, seems a bit far fetched.

    I may be wrong wouldn't be the first time.
     
  13. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what about the idea that Chagaev has lost something and looked bad vs Drummond before losing to Wlad?
     
  14. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I don't like either fighter at the odds, My pick is that Chagaev wins by late stoppage but that's a gut instinct, not worth betting on, not worth throwing money at.
     
  15. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I appreciate all insights into upcoming matches including yours, however,
    let us know when you actually step up and bet, on who, and how much.

    that is the whole point because we all can say A can win unless B comes thru and say, see, i was right (in either result)

    that it was makes it interesting, when we finally take a leap and bet