Jeffries on of the most misunderstood ..

"What are longhair books?"

Books written by a guy who does not watch a movie. He views cinema.

Or the type of guy who if walking in the woods does not see a rabbit, but sees a Sylvilagus floridanus mearnsii.

 

Ah, those people. Thanks. :good

 

Don't forget Chin. Sharkey was knocked out twice by Gus Ruhlin You think that would ever happen to Marciano?

I have to LOL on people saying Sharkey had more "speed" than marciano. What film do you base that off of?

 

No, not until Johnson came to the fore.
This misses the point of my comment however,I dont censor Jeffries for fighting these older ,smaller men [,though he could have been quicker giving them rematches], he cannot be blamed for being considerably bigger than all of them ,[excepting Ruhlin], I am just stating the facts as they stand.
Any one stating that Jeffries had tremendous power has to factor in the size,[and age] of the men he was hitting with it, and also the amount of rounds they still managed to be very competitive with him.
We are now asked to believe that Jeffries had hand troubles in virtually every major fight,and to hypothesise how ripped he would be today.
If he had these mythical modern advantages and faced the same men ,should they not have them too?

How would Jeffries have done if he was facing a 30 year old Fitz who had been fighting regularly and came in at 200lbs?
How would he have done against the Corbett who ran rings around John L ,maybe beefed up to 200lbs into the bargain ?
Instead of the 33 year old who had not fought in 2 years and hadn't won a fight in 6 years.How about the man , a month off 37 years old who again, had not fought in 3 years?
We are told by Jeffries admirers ,how he had improved when he fought Corbett the second time,how he out boxed him.
Any chance the nearly 4 years older ,and, out of the ring for 3 years Corbett, had gone back considerably since their first encounter?
37, at the turn of the 1900's, was ancient for a fighter,especially one who had been retired.
Jeffries gets more excuses made for him than just about any heavyweight I know, bad hands ,didnt try for the ko, novice,followed the prevailng politics concerning the colour bar, drugged tea, injured arm.Even boosting inept opponents like Finnegan and Munroe to make him , more of a killer.

Enough with this,he was a hulking giant of his times with limited skills, and a reputation for durability that was never tested against a top flight big man.

 

And twice, one punch wrecked by Fitz.:good

 

Early in his career Morrison came out blasting looking for a quick stoppage plus he did not train assiduously.Foreman was the same in the ring until he made his comeback,it is not lack of stamina ,it is lack of pacing.
Average defence? Didn't get his nose broken three times like Jeffries though did he?

 

You are the guy who told us Blacks have inherently superior hand speed right ?
You are in dire need of some credibility before you go advising others.

 

I surpose you also think that Charlie Chaplin really walked like that.

 

A young Jack Johnson was a sparring partner for Sharkey , he described him as ,"very dirty ,and worse than crude".
Sharkey's intelligence was a standing joke, he bought a saloon, it was said he crawled under the batwing doors for. 6 months before working out they swung both ways.

 

When those fights happened, Sharkey was well past his best, and had just experienced a brutal beating by Jeffreis. Take Charles for example, was he not Kid by journeyman past his prime? Yes, I think he was.

There is an old ring Magazine article in the 1930's that lists Sharkey as having one of the best chins of all time. If Marciano fought past his prime, he would have been KO'd too. But Rocky never fought past his 32 birthday as his body began to break down just prior to the Moore fight.

 

Morrison always had suspect stamina. He was nearly gassed in a 12 round waltz with an older Foreman. Your statement on Morrison only needed a top chin to go all the way is off. He was an average boxer, had average defense, did not fight smart, and had suspect stamina.

Any old time fighter was used to injuries. The gloves back in those days were light. There were no mouth pieces. There were not glue like substances to slow or stop cuts. The material from which the gloves were made from included horse hair and often tore, which marked guys up. Since the infighting, fouls, elbows, butts, and so on were shall we say an accidental part of the infighting, facial injures were more common.

Jack Johnson had some cuts. Even from sparring partners. Question his defense you do not. Sam Langford once had to retire from cuts. Dare you question his toughness or cut restiance?