Would Ike Ibeabuchi give Ali a harder fight than Foreman/Liston/Frazier/Norton did?

i agreez. Ike is like the crab defense of norton combined with power of foreman and stamina of frazier!!! And superior holyfield style. Ali cant handle his insane pressure. Jeff woodsen would ko ali too, he took tua's best, but got the brain damage like ike. Ali claims to be the goat but 160 lb white guy beat him up and knocked him down, ike's power punches would destroy his jaw! ike saw demons and commited ****, you can't beat him.

 

In all seriousness,

Ike would have beaten Vitali Klitschko.

 

That would have been a good fight to see, and in all honesty, probably the match that we SHOULD be talking about, rather than Ike vs Ali.. Its a shame that Ike was completely removed from the heavyweight picture, as I think he might have made things interesting in the early 2000's.. My guess is that he and Lewis might have crossed paths at some point, if things had been different.

 

Not really.

 

i said stop him
which is quite possible because Tua was out of shape and onmotivated against Tua
and Ali is greater then Tua anyway. I really think that the accumulation of blows would force the ref to stop the fight. Ali had great power in his prime anyway, against Williams, or Frazier 1, you pick.

 

no

 

:huh

Also Tua was not unmotivated and out of shape against Ike. It wasnt until after the breakup of Main Events and his contract was acquired by America Presents that he was fed a inconsistent diet of bums. Tua was always the type of fighter that needed to stay busy to keep his weight down, and America Presents was only concerned about preserving his contender status and cashing him against Lennox Lewis. Tua made a very poor decision going with Goosen and Co.

 

No?
Well either way, Tua was inconsistent, and Ali was much faster and skilled then Tua so I think Ali would beat Ike inside the distance anyways.

 

I agree with that

 

Ike Ibeubuchi TKO 11 Vitali

 

maybe
Vitali isn't as "great" as some people make him out to be.
A guy like Primeo canera or willard are the comparable to him, but they didn't have the advantage that Vitali has in stimulant and modern training, so they would probably be big and as strong as Vitali.
Primeo was muscular on his own anyway.
And I bet even Liston could put on a good 20 pounds in weight himself, I think his prime weight was around 215, so he could start doing more weights for his legs and other muscles and be a bigger heavyweight himself.
I think Canera might TKO Vitali.

 

Its not impossible, but no way we saw enough of Ibeabuchi with crafty rangy boxers to know how he would in fact do. Again rumblings from the gym were that Ike was struggling with guys who could move and box him at range. If you saw some of his earlier fights, he didnt always look like the dynamo of the Tua fight. I believe he lost every round leading up to the stoppage of Byrd as well.

 

I would argue we have have no way saw enough of Klitschko with a powerful in shape durable high workrate fighter.


Wins over undefeated prime versions of Chris Bryd and David Tua are better than any win vitali ever recorded

 

A guy who went 12 rounds with vintage Tua, and Ali stops him? This dosen't make any sense.
Chris, you're right in mentioning Ike catching Byrd...now I know Byrd and Ali are not "=", but Ike could conceivably have caught Ali as well. I'm still not saying that Ike beats Ali...probably a decision for Ali, but Ike could very well have been a tougher challenge and could have turned in a better showing than Liston or Foreman and troubled Ali at the same levels that Frazier and Norton did. Yes, on the other hand, Ike may have been able to beat Ali...and the psyche game may have been VERY different...like Ike not being an American black, the "uncle Tom" **** would have been pointless...a black man from Africa...as with Bonavena, there was a language barrier of a sort..I think Ike could have been crazy enough to try his own psyche game..maybe in the Nigerian language, whatever it's called...hey, Ike was a crazy guy...he may have been able to use that factor to his advantage.