Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

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  1. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    lol..u keep saying all this about floyd with southpaws..i can take a total opposite look at it though and prove your point wrong..

    "HE ALWAYS LOOKS GOOD AGAINST SMALLER FIGHTERS:deal "

    ALSO.."HE HAS AN EASY TIME WITH FIGHTERS WHO DONT HAVE THE REACH ADVANTAGE"

    YOU CAN BASE IT OFF PAC FIGHTING SOUTHPAW...BUT U CAN ALSO LOOK AT HOW SMALL MANNY IS...

    IF YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON MANNY BEING A SOUTHPAW THAN YOUR IN FOR A SURPRISE CUZ WHEN U GET AT THE LEVEL THESE 2 ARE AT...JUST BEING A SOUTHPAW ISNT GOOD ENOUGH
     
  2. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Active Member Full Member

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    :-(

    You're one of those cats that has an excuse for everything.

    I posted a list of 11 factors that gave Floyd an advantage in his fight with Pac and I have yet to get anything other than Pac's workrate and "power" (even though Pac has nothing close to one punch KO power.)

    Pac is going to get hit a lot. He's going to get countered a lot. He's going to walk into punches he doesn't see. He's not going to land over 25% of his punches. He's going to be fighter a bigger, stronger opponent with the fastest hands and best defense in boxing.

    I see a Pac loss.
     
  3. Gander Tasco

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    He's not that small, Floyd isn't much bigger. Pac bullied Clottey around, who's a much bigger guy then Floyd. I've also seen him spar super middleweights.

    Floyd's biggest advantage is his reach, but he doesn't really use it on a southpaw, and he won't be able to keep Manny off him because he doesn't do enough to back him off.
     
  4. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Mayweather's high guard isn't the same thing as Clottey's operation turtle :lol:
     
  5. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One in four punches! His accuracy was 27%.

    The hilarious part is that Clottey literally only threw over 20 power punches in 3 rounds. He was only under 30% accuracy in ONE round!
     
  6. Marnoff

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    The people who salivate over the term "shoulder roll" simply don't know what the **** they're talking about. It's not the only element to Floyd's defense. Against Southpaws he typically employs a different style of fighting with a high guard, pressing forward.
     
  7. Gander Tasco

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    I'll add more : Pac's speed, footwork, agility, age, intangibles (heart, chin, etc).

    Pac will get hit alot, but he'll still outwork and out land Mayweather. Floyd just doesn't throw enough punches. His workrate today is way lower then it used to be back in the lightweight division, and he'll be even more cagey against a fast/aggressive southpaw like Manny.
     
  8. Buzz Killington

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04I1Wmbpwo&feature=related[/ame]


    Be sure to check the Judah highlights. He used his reach great.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    SEE....U DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO MENTION ANYTHING WORTH LOGIC..FOR STARTERS FLOYD WAS ABLE TO PUSH BACK A BIGGER SHANE MOSLEY WHO WALKS AROUND 165-170LBS..

    SECOND HIS BIGGEST ADVANTAGE ISNT HIS REACH..ITS HIS FOOTWORK..WHEN I SIT BACK AND TELL U THAT FLOYD HAS SUPERIOR FOOTWORK OVER MANNY IM NOT SAYING THAT "CUZ I LIKE FLOYD"..IM SAYIN IT CUZ ITS THE TRUTH..JUST LIKE WHEN I SAY PACQUIAO HAS MORE POWER THAN FLOYD, IM NOT SAYIN IT FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN ITS EASY TO SEE..IM SAYIN IT AS A STUDENT OF BOXING...

    Im tellin you straight up...all bias aside..fan $hit aside etc...FLOYD MAYWEATHER HAS BETTER FOOTWORK THAN MANNY PACQUIAO. WHEN MANNY PACQUIAO IS "FORCED" INTO A CHESS MATCH WITH FLOYD YOU'LL SEE WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT..

    THAN U TALK ABOUT BIT34ING..LMFAO..U BIT34 MORE THAN ANY POSTER ON ESB ABOUT FLOYD BTW:deal SO DONT COME ON IN THE LAST PART OF YOUR POST ACTIN LIKE U DONT WHEN U JUST AS BAD:hat
     
  10. Gander Tasco

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    Exactly. And do you see that as a good strategy against Pacquiao?
     
  11. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry son, I see that you really can't connect the dots...

    You really don't understand how having your face looking like that after fighting a guy who barely threw punches and NEVER used footwork does not bode well when you are about to go up with the most accurate puncher in the game whose FAVORITE punch is the punch that shredded your face?

    Do you know what thread you are on? I tried to tie your nonsense in with all of the other *******s. You have distanced yourself as a singular talent of extreme *******ation.
     
  12. Buzz Killington

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    What factor of Pac's does Floyd not possess in equal or greater abundance?
     
  13. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah, I mean Pac had Clottey all figured out and wasn't getting hit. :patsch
     
  14. kukoy

    kukoy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oh wow. This is something new. Pac is known to take three to land one. Bruises are superficial, and someboxers bruise and get cuts easily than others. It is better you show Pac's KOs than this. WEAK.
     
  15. sdsfinest22

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    LOL....OK..MAN UR GONNA BE OFF ESB SO FAST WHEN PAC LOSES...LMFAO...EVERYTHING U JUST SAID TAKES A TECHNICAL GAMEPLAN BEHIND IT..

    N UR BOY MANNY JUST DONT HAVE THE TOOLS..LIKE I SAID BEFORE..MANNY DONT GOT THE FOOTWORK TO CONTROL THE TEMPO OF THE FIGHT..

    JUST THE FACT THAT YOU EVEN THINK HIS FOOTWORK IS ON PAR WITH FLOYDS SHOWS UR BIAS...LIKE I SAID...IF U CANT SEE THAT FLOYDS FOOTWORK IS LEVELS ABOVE PACS U EITHER NEVER BOXED BEFORE AND ARE ON HERE TRYING TO ACT LIKE U HAVE...OR U JUST LIKE MANNY N THINK HE A GOD N IS BETTER AT EVERYTHING..EITHER WAY...ITS COMEDY THAT YOU EVEN MENTION HIS FOOTWORK IS BETTER LMFAO:rofl:rofl:rofl