Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

THAT'S REALLY What this fight is gonna be about...who's foot placement is in position to get off the more meaningful offense. Funny no one really talks about that but that's a classic fundemental discussion when dealing with an orthodox fighter vs a southpaw.

Both have great foot work....floyd is more finesse and Manny's is more spuratic and hard to anticipate. I'm sure PAC will work the body when he can but he can't get too trigger happy going to the body b/c with Floyd.......**** man....you give him an inch and that man will take a mile.

Going to the body is hard to do with floyd b/c he's so quick and accurate he'll capitolize on the opening that is availble by going to the body. Shane only lande a few body shots b/c he knew what time it was.

 

atsch

 

true.

dude knows how to adapt.

 

Very true. But to spin that...

FMJ's composure after absorbing that one well placed shot? Think he is covered there. The way FMJ caught the straight that wobbled him was UNBELIEVABLE presence of mind. To anyone who has been rocked with a punch that is mind blowing.

Also, will Pac's face hold up to delivering "pressure"? Can break him down without getting severely lumped up in the process to the point where the breaker is getting broke? Does he have the chin and tough skin to work like that?

 

atsch

A small bruise? You fail to realize that Manny was ENCOURAGING Clottey to trade with him.

 

:happy

Roach pretty much designed Pac's entire offense around countering Cotto's left hook and jab with the right hook. Cotto doesn't feint so Pac was able to commit to his counters. Roach had Cotto figured out. Floyd isn't as predictable.

 

Oh really? The shoulder roll defense and counter doesn't work against southpaws? Hmm, James Toney begs to differ.


Checkout 4:27 and the replays @ 5:09

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This fight, just like the Jirov fight, was a beautiful display of shouler roll defense by Toney. AND HE WAS BEING TRAINED BY FREDDIE ROACH AT THE TIME!! So I don't know what the **** Roach is talking about here.

 

I doubt Mayweather has lost his legs. Mayweather was flat footed because he got tagged by Mosley.

 

agreed.

 

With PAcquiao, Floyd is gonna encounter a new problem that he has never encountered before against all these boxers he has faced who have been well schooled from the beginning of their amateur careers. Something I think will trouble him.

When Floyd reads his opponents and makes his adjustments to his opponent's offense, basically taking away what was working for him in the early rounds, his opponents usually realise that they are out of position all of a sudden and they try to get back into position to throw their punches and its usually while they are trying to make that offensive adjustment that floyd turns it on offensively. While they are unable to get into their offensive zone their output drops, they get outboxed and eventually they get desperate. Unlike most other, Pacquiao will not stop punching jsut because he is a bit out of position. He will force the gap and let his hands go and he will get caught with a counter or two here and there... but he will throw 6,7, 8, 9, 10 punch combinations, even if every one of those punches misses and even if he takes one in return at the end. These are the kind of combinations that Mayweather has never seen before and they're gonna be coming from angles he's never seen before either.. It's gonna be a whole new dimension and I'd like to see how he deal with it. Cause it's not rare in the Cotto fight to see him dodge the first 4 5 punches only to be hit by the 6th and 7th punch.

If Maywether wants to get in one of his sneaky bodyshots in the middle of one of PAcquiao's combinations he has to accept the fact that he will eat a hook for it. Then we'll see how hurt Pacquiao is from those kind of shots and IMO that will be the difference maker.

To add to that, I think it will take Mayweather twice or three times more rounds to adjust to PAcquiao's offense than to any other fighter's. Which means that by the time the adjustment is complete, the fight will be more than halfway done with Pacquiao leading by one or two rounds and just needing to steal a couple more for the W.

If Floyd gets overanxious because he realises that Pacquiao is close to getting a W, PAcquiao has what it takes to make him pay for being overzealous. And if he hurts him late I think he will finish him.

 

Pac is no Mosley who gassed out early in the 3rd round.

 

:good

 

Typical Floyd fan repsonse : "you don't know anything about boxing." I think I know more about Floyd then you do. When has Floyd fought a guy who moves like Pacquiao, let alone a southpaw? You keep bringing up "technical footwork," and your totally missing the point. Mayweather does "technically" have better footwork, but Pacquiao has faster feet and he's unorthodox. Think of Roy Jones Junior. He wasn't exactly great technically but he destroyed everybody. It's not all ABC's and "technical this, technical that." The most technically astute guy in the sport can get his ass kicked if the other guy has the right style to do it. You gotta study Manny Pacquiao and you gotta study Floyd against southpaws to get the right picture of this fight .

 

I think Roach making that comment is a way to kind of get under the skin of Floyd....maybe to bait him in to fighting a fight that they want Floyd to fight. Floyd is as fresh as a daisy...his legs are two of the best in boxing. He's got stamina, speed and quickness....like Manny. Just different styles.

I don't agree that Floyd beats the **** out of PAC and I don't agree that PAC and his team feel that way. I honestly think both parties are confident but both also realize this isn't gonna be easy.

The way Floyd dominated Shane was in my opinion incredible. Not that Shane was in his PRIME....but the man was still one of if not THE BEST WW based on what he did. So the win was probably Floyds best considering how he dominated.

That fight will not look anything like the fight with Manny.....I gurantee that. The outcome is questionable. IF you had to bet I'd say place your money on Floyd. But I just have a gut feeling Manny will somehow beat the odds that should be in favor of Floyd and pull out his greatess win of his career.

 

I dont recall saying that he was, atsch

But if your in the a puncher as big as Mosely, and your walking him down, you keep your hands up, as your going to get return fire.

Mayweather will walk Pac down too if they fight, and do it from a high guard.