Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

i feel the same way about u pac fans...difference is i practice the sport daily in an actual boxing gym.....im not telling u as a fan of floyd that his footwork is better...its clear as day man...his footwork is actually better

 

Did you watch the video I posted you ****ing moron? If not, then watch it and then hit up the Jirov - Toney fight and tell me the shoulder roll doesn't work well against a southpaw.

 

lol I base everything off him being a southpaw, because it's that important. You guys just don't have the comprehension or boxing knowledge that you think you have. That's why you guys always bringing the Marquez, Hatton, and Mosley fights as if their relevant at all, when they're not. I've studied Floyd probably more then most of you guys have. I know every move he makes. You have to look at this fight from a southpaw-orthdox point of view, otherwise your analyzing the fight in a completely illogical way.

 

This is a credible scenario.

 

JR calm down bro I didn't say the shoulder roll doesn't work, but it's generally less effective - that's just a fact. It can be usefull for getting away from right hooks from a southpaw, but because their power punch is usually their left hand, it can get you into trouble. That's why Floyd doesn't use it much when he fights southpaws.

 

Even I can agree with you on this.

 

Leon why are you always stalking me.

 

:good

 

Shoulder roll works against anybody. However, it depends on whether the fighter is orthodox or southpaw.

an orthodox fighter fighting a southpaw, when they angage, their shoulders would be touching or close to each other, yet the dominant punching arm would be coming from the outside which is not totalkly blocked. That is why it is not as effective.

Against both orthodox or both southpaws, the shoulder roll works very well because the only point of contact for the dominant hand of either fighter is the back or sides.

But when it is not an in-fighting, then the shoulder roll is effective against anybody. It is only negated when it becomes a close fighting or an in-out actioan.

 

Floyd may be in position for Pac's straight left, but Pac is in position for Floyd's straight right. It's a wash and, even against southpaws, Floyd almost never eats the right hook. But Pac gets hit with the left hook regularly, one of Floyd's best punches. And Pac would have a serious reach disadvantage. The only advantage that Pac has is that he has fought orthodox fighters his entire career while Floyd has fought southpaws only a few times.

 

Floyd showed a masterful performance by getting SSM to back up, no question. He overcame Shane's size and reach difference when he was losing in that exchange of lefts and showed off some damn good offensive skills. No doubt it was a good strategy, and in my opinion it was a product of Floyd's ring IQ rather than a pre-planned strategy...

But Pac and SSM are very different fighters. Pac's foot and hand speed, southpaw style, workrate/stamina and power combine to make a fighter that Floyd has never quite run into before. Obviously the same goes for Pacquiao with PBF, but either way it'll be interesting to see how Floyd adapts once again to a new fighter.

This will be the best fight since the 80's if it actually goes down. It simply needs to happen.

 

Pac doesn't get hit with left hooks regularly ; don't know what your talking about there. The reach is a factor but Floyd doesn't fight a distance fight. He lets guys come to him and picks off their shots or tries to counterpunch. Against southpaws, he fights front first, and he keeps a high guard to try to block or pick off the shots. Think Winky Wright. He'll look almost exactly like Clottey except he's going to be quicker, move more, and go to the body more often. Other than that , it's going to be more-or-less the same scenario as that fight. Manny's simply going to outwork him and outfight him.

 

Easy fight for Floyd. AZZk Marquez.

 

Jesus christ man, you're really not too bright or you're just being to ****ing delusional!

Somebody posted a vidoe to negate what you stated and you still manage to dismiss facts and try to replace it with your opinion...If thats the case, why did Toney have so much success against a southpaw???atsch

If the shoulder roll is worked out to the T...the user can evade the power left and counter off of it...What part of that are you not understanding?:verysad

JESUS!

 

i hope gender tasco disappears, after floyd stops pac in ten rounds. If pac has to take the random test he won't be the same pac we've been seeing. :hi: