Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

Do you even know what a shoulder roll is? You can't "roll off" a left hand from a southpaw, it's literally impossible. James Toney wasn't using a shoulder roll to evade some of those punches. And I didn't say you can't use a shoulder roll on a southpaw. It can work for right hooks, but for left hands it doesn't do squat, and that's a fact. Trying to argue otherwise is going to make you look a dumbass.

 

Dude, we ALMOST had a moment. Pac's right ear was destroyed by Cotto's left hook. Look at the JMM fights, he counters Pac with the left hook all day.

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Pac was beat by Morales, Marquez, etc who didn't know how to do no shoulder roll. Floyd wins ez whether he chooses to roll or not. For a kid who's claiming to watch moar Floyd fights than any of us, he doesn't even know that $'s D isn't one dimensional.

 

atsch I'm done with you...You're so blind its pathetic...Watch the video then holla back at me...its clear as day that you didnt watch the video.

Nothing more than your bias opinion!

 

And Floyd isn't Marquez, Morlaes, etc. And this isn't 2006/2008 in the feather/super feather division. Try again.

 

Thanks for reminding the forum that $ is a much better fighter than Marquez and Morales.

Does anyone know why tasco always brings up the Judah fight? That fight is farther back in the past than the most recent Marquez fight with Pac. I don't know how it's supposed to help his idea. Floyd actually ended up dominating Judah, but pac went so close with Marquez that he felt a need to duck him.

 

Maybe Mosley is no Mosley when he is tested by the USADA. :think

 

No I'm reminding you that they are nothing alike, and Marquez / Morales did things in those fights that Floyd doesn't do. And fighting in the feather/super feather division is nothing like the welter division. Plus Pac has improved substantially since then.

 

The video proved that James Toney is good, but it also proved that the shoulder roll has holes in it against an opponent who is opposite in stance.


Jesus!

Just because someone posted a video of James Toney winning does not totally negate the dynamics of a fight between a southpaw and orthodox with the shoulder roll in equation.

From a boxing fundamentals, if you don't understand why the shoulder roll is not totally effective, you know ****!

 

24 rounds against a fighter is a helluva way to duck a fighter.

Personally I found $ pretending to not know who Margarito was to his face far more amusing.

 

Floyd does get hit with the straight left more with the shoulder roll. But he's also killing you with the straight right at the same time. And, when it gets really hot, he shells up and counters the right jab with the left hook.

Tasco seems to be forgetting that Floyd won those fight against southpaws. Manny's tough but those short arms will make it tough for him to land his straight left, unlike Corley and Judah.

 

you always post **** that does not pertain to whats being discussed and to be totally honest, I dont even read your whole post...The guy said its not effective against southpaw and James Toney proves that myth is a bust...What does this other **** has to do with what I've typed!:verysad

 

And you're implying that pac is Zab Judah? Zab Judah troubled Floyd by fighting like Zab Judah. Pac doesn't fight **** like Judah.atsch

The Judah fight was 4 years ago. In tasco land the best fighter in the world hasn't become smarter with all that time.

 

I did watch the video. You don't know what a shoulder roll is. Are you saying you know more then Freddy Roach? And if you read what I wrote I said that the shoulder can work against right hand on a southpaw but not the left. There wasn't any point in that video where Toney "rolled" off a left hand, which is impossible. He was ducking and countering, but that's not a shoulder roll.

 

The only things that Marquez and Morales did in those fights that Floyd couldn't do was be inferior. Floyd's arsenal is more diverse and crisp than anything JMM or Morales bring to the table.

I had hope for you Tasco. You started well but the wheels have fallen off the wagon.

atsch