Has Pacman fought anybody as good as Mosley?

Apples and oranges.

-- Nobody claimed Mosley was the best SSM, but he was a title holder and challenging for another belt in a fight many thought he had a great shot at winning.

-- Not only was Cotto beaten to a pulp and gifted Clottey's belt, he didn't have a trainer! "We are with you!" was his corner advice! WTF? Just what you need in a championship fight.

IMHO Cotto is done, but Mosley would have kicked his can that night.

 

We shall see after the Foreman fight. Foreman is good but no one is going to get him confused with Sugar Ray Leonard.

 

All of these fighters are as good as Mosley and Pac has fought them all.

Rustico Torrecampo, Medgoen Singsurat, Agapito Sanchez, Juan Manuel Marquez, Eric Morales

 

I don't think so, Cotto took Mosley 3 yrs ago due to Mosley being old, pushing 40 isn't gonna help Shane 1 bit. Shane is still a decent fighter but he is too old , his legs, speed, reflexes and stamina are gone he is very, very faded. Cotto is either in his prime or near it, while Shane way past it and clearly over the hill.

If Cotto was really done he would not have gotten past Clottey, watch Cotto vs Judah and Clottey vs Judah. Cotto was never going to have an easy time with Clottey, he had a bad cut but he gutted out a tough victory anyway. I've watched Cotto in with 2 southpaws; Corley and Judah, and I can honestly say he was never durable enough to take Pac, he had twice fallen prey to southpaw power and been hurt by lesser southpaws, well this time he was in with an A level fighter and it showed.

 

I hear you BUT its ridiculous to say Cotto is washed up and than turn around and say an ancient Shane Mosley isn't.

 

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If I use snuggie or whatever that is, at least I don't have Mayweather bobblehead doll with me all the time like you do!

I know you are butthurt to the point of calling everybody that Pac fought a bum. The Clottey fiasco is still probably fresh in your mind.

I am talking of welterweights! You are extending you descripton to lightwelters and the middleweights.

Mosley can not be ranked lower even if he performs badly because there is not much talent in welterweight. Now you mention Bradley (a lightwelter), or Williams (impossible at this time).

Sure they are fighters available for Pac like Bradley but he will choose the one dimensional, turtle-shell defense, no hope to win Clottey. Was this even the area of discussion? I just stated that the welterweight division is shallow, not the entire plantilla of lightwelter, welter, superwelter, middle. Rankings is per division, and welterweight division would be probably top 6 heavy but nothing else after that.

Mosley's performance against Margarito is nothing to gloat about! Margarito is tailormade for Mosley. Beisdes, as all aging and past their prime fighters, they sometimes have one good fight in them. That was probably against Margarito. But to ask them to consistently do it against top opposition is far-fetched.

Prior to the Margarito fight, everybody was writing MOsley off. When he won he is suddenly a prime fighter again? Is not the trend in ESB? You lose, you are overrarted. You win, you become suddenly the pound for pound number __?

Your huggery is so obnoxious. Call a spade a spade. The win was good, but come on.? Mosley mouth-breathing at the end of the 2nd round is because Mayweather got to him? That was just 6 minutes of action. He is past his prime and aged!!!!

Debate whatever you want but the thing speaks for itself.

***** defense however is vaulted on the premise that he knocked out Margarito..

When it comes to Mayweather, as long as it makes him "God", everything is black and white, no shades of gray. You can not even debate how past prime Mosley really is! The most idiotic posts here have this line "He was breathing heavily because Mayweather was so good and he made mosley miss. When you miss, you tire easily". Or "Mosley is not throwing punches because everytime he throws, he is countered".

Even the biggest ***** here admitted that the outcome of the fight was 60 percent due to Mayweather's genius, and 40 per cent due to Mosley being past it and aged. You however probably believes that Mosley's defeta is 100 per cent entirely due to Mayweather!!!! And you are not even a ***** when you started in ESB.


A gullible person is someone who believes in other person's hype and much worse, their own hype.

 

Cotto who defeated an EPOed Mosley without ramdon testing.

 

Cotto is slow and was waiting to be exposed. I had Mosley winning by a couple when they fought. I'm not hater on Cotto I've really enjoyed his career, but people seldom mention he has never been a legit champ. I question how high people rank him considering he has never been an undisputed champion at any weight class in his relatively long career. Arum moved this guy very carefully for a long time and I'll admit I was fooled, I held him in higher esteem than his accomplishments warranted. Mosley has had a much more distinguished career than Cotto when you factor in the guys he's beaten and his dominance before the move to 147. Is he better than Cotto is now? No one will know unless they fight again.

 

marquez, maybe bararra but not anybody at ww. you got some people who claim that clottey and cotto where better then the mosley mayweather fought, are you ****ing serious? boy, mayweather knows how to make people hate him. this is how he became the ppv king right now.


mosley was clearly a more dangerous opponent then clottey or cotto and here why?

clottey- a one dimensional fighter, limited offense. the man showed up simply to go the distance, but of course anybody who even thought he had a chance to win simply did it because of the size difference and there really wasnt one when you looked at how big pac and strong pac looked. clottey did the best under the circumstances that he should have never been in the ring with a fighter that good in the first place. it as a boring fight. if you think this was a great victory for pac, you must a nuthugger.

cotto- this was a better win for pac, but again, was cotto more dangerous then mosley? does cotto have a better chin then mosley? does cotto punch harder then mosley? has cotto had more success at ww then mosley? when they fought, they were for the most part on even terms but cotto beat mosley fair and square. however when they both fought margarito, mosley destroyed him, while cotto got busted up and koed. regardles of the possibilty of marog using loaded gloves, the damage was done and the outcome as decided. and cotto, throughout his career has shown vulnerability, especially his chin. mosley has pretty much showed he has a good beard.

ther is no evidence to suggest that cotto and clottey were more dangerous opponents then mosley. the only thing they had on msoely was age but even with that, they all had one common opponent, Margarito, and an 38 year old mosley was the only one that could kick margo ass, clottey did what he always did, block and not throw punches and cotto while he was doing well from the begining and middle parts of the fight, did not have the power to keep margo off him and was not durable enough to keep from getting koed.( though the cheater probly had loeaded gloves) but again, cotto has shown vulnerabilities before. he was nearly koed by torres.

ps. while most likely pac would beat mosley, team pac declined to fight mosley even when Mosley offered to go to 140. instead they went with cotto despite the fact that Mosley was coming off his biggest victory of his career. food for though

 

Cotto is more dangerous than a 38 year old Mosley who was tired after 2
rounds gainst Floyd.

 

Cotto, Barrera, JMM and Morales were all far better than the Mosley Floyd fought.

Why are people even debating this?

Are they really that ****ing stupid?

 

:-( you ever wonder why mosley got tired? mosley didnt seem too tired against Margarito, now did he?

 

you think morales, after losing to zahir raheem was better then mosley, lol.:rofl

 

The Morales 1 fight (which I was obviously refering too unless you're a complete moron, which I suspect) was better than Shane, no argument, no discussion, better period.

The threads about fighting someone better than the Mosley Floyd fought, remember?:roll: