Roach: The shoulder roll will not work against a southpaw.

And Floyd is a good but not great fighter out of a high guard.

 

That may be the case but he will apply the defense that gets him out of harms way...Thats the main key.:good

 

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Ask Corley and Judah about that.

 

Your mixing up what a shoulder roll is with general parrying and slipping. There's a difference. A left hand from a southpaw isn't going to be rolled off with the shoulder. It's just simple physics. I'm tired of explaining it.

 

Good fighters win fights but a good fighter isn't going to beat Manny at present. He has to be a much better fighter out of the high guard against Manny than he was against Corley or Judah.

 

the shoulder roll wont work against a southpaw,he'll duck and use the right hand against a southpaw.manny will have to go looking for floyd and get countered alnight

 

floyd may is a great fighter. the same tactics will beat manny

 

Duck and use the right? You mean like when Judah put him down.

 

Floyd can make the shoulder roll work in almost any situation....it's just FAR less effective with facing a soutpaw. Can it work??? Yes....most likely against a more limited and slower southpaw...and it would help if he didn't have an awkward style, which Manny definitly does with those unorthodox punches he throws.

Floyd in most cases would have gotten away from that left Chop landed on him but Floyd is human and sometimes he makes mistakes. No one is perfect but Floyd fighting his fight is damn near it in a lot of cases.

 

here's freddie roach demonstrating a shoulder roll :


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Now just look at the physics of how he deflects those right hands with his shoulder. Now imagine a southpaw in there throwing a left hand. The physics aren't there anymore. You guys get it now?

In general you can't shoulder roll a left hand from a southpaw, and it's not a good idea to try it. You can however block it, parry it, slip it, duck/weave/move, which isn't the same as a shoulder roll. Okay I'm done now.

 

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LMFAO..OK...AND BTW..MOST OF U *******S DONT WANNA BET..UR WHACK A$$ RESPONSE WHEN I TRY AND BET A BAN BET IS "I DONT WANT TO KICK U OFF ESB"

LMFAO..FACE IT GANDER..PAC WILL BE "FORCED" INTO A CHESS MATCH AND THERES NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

AND BTW..U CAN USE THE SHOULDER ROLL ON A SOUTHPAW..SEE JAMES TONY...AND BTW..FLOYD CAN FIGHT SOUTHPAW..SO HE CAN USE IT FROM A SOUTHPAW STANCE..

GANDER ALWAYS GETTING OWNED WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNICAL BOXINGhi:

 

no, i know very well what a shoulder roll is. what you're mistaking is that floyd is going to use his shoulder to block a left hand. when floyd is in his shell, he rolls right hands, and blocks left hands with his glove/forearm. why would he use left shoulder to block something coming toward the right side of his face?:huh

 

Funny thing that's what everyone says when PBF wins there's always an excuse. Zab got tired, oscar got tired, Shane got tired. When PBF schools Pac it will be because he got tired.:roll:

 

Dude, you lost all credibility. Once a fighter steps into the ring, the assumption is that he has trained properly. Floyd didn't know which Judah was going to step into the ring, he just beat the one that was in front of him. Floyd broke him down and the fight wasn't close. You're the type of cat that probably thinks Morales beat Pac because he was "weak" from giving blood.

Great is great. Ask SSM. Ask Oscar. and the 40 others that lost to Floyd.