:rofl You're dumb as hell. These elite guys should have cleaned up back in the day when anything went. Oh wait...
I think people would be suprised how ineffective JKD/Wing Chun moves would be against a trained fighter like GSP. Dirty moves are fair game to all so it's not an advantage against a boxer, MMA etc In fact a fighter could just make dirty moves hurt more i.e. a Overeem knee or a Cro Cop kick to the balls. I also think people are overlooking the standard of grappling that MMA is creating. These guys are becoming wrestlers and submission artists in one BUT also including striking arts on the ground. So even if someone knows how to grapple, they don't know how to incorporate strikes effectively let alone defend against them. Even if JKD/Krav Maga fighters poised a standing threat (which I don't think they do), as soon as GSP takes it to the floor and starts kneeing them in the head and elbowing them in the face they will soon see the errors of their ways.
If this carruthers is soo good he should challenge an MMA fighter to a match,or at the very least demonstrate PRACTICALLY that he can win a vale tudo fight. Its laughable that these JKD type guys think they can fight in the street,without actually fighting at all. Every time i see some sort of 'judo' guy in with an MMA guy,even with just no holds barred,the judo guy starts crying from the first punch to the hooter.... And we wont get into the 'one inch punch',heart stopping,energy manipulation brigade'... These guys are just childish show-offs... Tomato can,palooka,garbage.....
While its true its a sports competition where athletes are able to train and optimizes their bodies for a competition with rules. It is still a form of combat (hand to hand) It is not Martial Art as originally intended (Art of War or military science). Martial art is hungry, weak, wounded in the trenches with 10 infantry men about to rush you. You cant prepare for something like that and may I say that in real martial art, your best chance is 50/50. Anyway, this is apples and oranges, you cant compare.
JKD has check kicks from savat which is Illegal, and Joint manipilation which is Illegal. So you can't just say finger jabs to the eye and groin. And JKD is an MMA style. And St. Pierre would have to take a chance in getting caught trying to shoot in. OLD UFC rules I'd take Carruthers. Even if they don't allow eye strikes or groin strikes.
And a Judo guy isn't a JKD guy, 2 different things, Maybe you should educate yourself on what JKD really is before you talk. And JKD already has Judo in it.
atsch So a guy who has never fought anybody on camera in his entire life is being chosen over a guy who has loads of mma fights and is a proven wordl class athlete on the basis of Small Joint Manipualation and a kick which AFAIK is not actually illegal at all?
YUp because tornament fighting has rules and it isn't the same as a NHB fight that's number 1. And number 2, your fighting ability has nothing to do with how many tornaments you won(which only looks good on paper), rather more on your techinque and physical ability. And Carruthers has plenty of that. By your logic, than Tank Abbott can beat Carruthers too, since he's had more MMA fights.
I was using 'judo' in a generic sense punchy. You also stated judo is used in JKD,so dont be ****in pedantic. Bottom line,let mister carruthers win ONE fight under the cameras.
I'll tell you what how bout you go challenge him and tell him that he's never fought a day in his life in front of a camera, and bring some mma guys with you. After it's all said and done you and your mma buddies can phone from the ER room.
Duh, proven world class athelte did you miss that? Fact you have no idea how good Carruthers is. You have never seen him fight NHB and nobody else has seen him fight NHB never mind against a guy who has masterd a bunch of proven effecitive techniques. How is Tommy going to stop GSP from taking him down? Think an eye gouge is going to stop a double leg? In the old days of actual NHB fighting the guys cleaning up were wrestlers and BJJ guys not some guy who has masterd the heart explode jab in the throat technique.
As little substance as you can get. You are speaking with no proof and no argument other than ones that have been disproved in actual combat.
Notice how in Carruthers' videos he is demonstrating against a static target. His speed is undeniable but how would he implement his techniques when his opponent is trying to tear his limbs off? JKD, Wing Chun LOOK very good and impressive, but the truth is that they are very ineffective in combat situations. I do believe that Carruthers would easily beat your average man on the street but his style and technique would be of no use in the cage facing an opponent like GSP who can beat the living **** out of you from any position.
[DM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZeSMiaADCs[/DM] [DM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUvql8D2tIc[/DM] Essentially, this is the same difference as Carruthers and GSP. Farnworths skills are amazing to watch but they would never work in a rela football match, that is why Ronaldo is the best player in the world and not John Farnworth. Carruthers skills are also amazing to watch but it just wouldn't work in a ring or cage. Simple. IN MY OPINION.