What is ur HW top 10?

He is not on top of my list. I have no lists anymore. I had him Top15. Like Liston. And I think that´s justifyable (does this word exist?).
No, I don´t give fighters with slow hands extra credit. You can compensate this with timing and accuracy but how do you compensate a size disadvantage :huh

 

Of course it can be overcome but that´s not what I said. I wrote compensate. And for a reason. You can overcome a size disadvantage with certain styles and tactics. But you have to take more risks with that. You can compensate slower hands with better accuracy and timing. You don´t need to take more risks for that.

 

The difference between overcoming and compensating is that for the first one you need to overcome adversity. Here a size disadvantage. And yeah, overcoming adversity is a sign of greatness.

 

thats not a bad list at all:good

 

Depends on the size gap and on the range. For example it´s harder to overcome for a 180 pounder against a 200 pound fighter than for a 230 pound fighter against a 250 pound fighter due to the "diminishing returns". And yeah, I think it is a major factor then - and fighters who are able to make it a non-factor should be credited for that.
The difference is for one you have to take risk, for the other not. You need to take more risks to overcome a size gap. you don´t need to take more risks to compensate for slow hands/no power.

 

No. Read my previous posts. It´s a factor but just one.

btw I rate both as high as Louis and Ali these days since all of them are genuine hw atgs and I don´t make a difference between these anymore.

 

I rank him above Patterson and Liston for sure.

Like I said I don´t do lists anymore but when judging a fighter you´ve got to look at these factors as well - IMO.

 

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Marciano
4. Holmes
5. Johnson
6. Lewis
7. Holyfield
8. Frazier
9. Tyson
10. Liston

 

nice list