would calzaghe be as underrated if he was american...

You are literally too stupid to debate with if you believe any of that! Sorry, but **** off mate!

Some advice though.

Check Jones pre 2004 when he was 35 years of f*ckin age!

Check Toney's runs at 160 and 168 and don't pick a fight in which he was clearly unmotivated at 175.

Check Hopkins run at middleweight, the ATG's he fought as compared to Calzaghe, and how many times he has been CLEARLY beaten. Some ****in actor mate.

Check McClellan pre tragic Benn fight. And what is your definition of a shot fighter. How does a shot fighter take atomic bombs from the hardest hitter in the sport and come back to win.

Stay off the drugs - they're turning your head into mush!!!!!

 

The question doesn't really make sense. If he was an American (or really western hemispherian) he presumably would have fought much more in America and it would have been known where he fits in against the competition here. If your question is do people embrace more readily their own champions then it hardly seems worth asking.

 

Like this point :good
Makes me wonder why i invested 2 posts worth into this thread.

 

didn't they do that with Marciano?

at the end of the day, people who hate Calzaghe for what he did in the ring and what he achieved know nothing about boxing.

 

If he was American he would be a worldwide superstar.

 

It's not about making excuses, its about putting things in context. There's always going to be people who discredit every win on a fighters record, just because they don't like them. As I said, I thought Calzaghe's win over Kessler was an excellent one, simply because Kessler was a young, undefeated, champion in his prime who'd beaten a few ranked Top Ten guys and went on to achieve things post Calzaghe.

But the rest of the wins on his record aren't particularly impressive. There is an extraordinary amount of crap sandwiched in-between the credible, if unremarkable, defences against guys like Reid, Brewer, Lacy and Mitchell. Eubank was a name, buts it not an excuse, as such, to highlight the context of that fight, these issues surrounding it were pretty significant, and perhaps highly influential to its outcome (or not?)

And the nature of the performance against Hopkins, and the age of all involved, and the controversial nature of the decision, means that it can't really be viewed as a great victory, when put in context.

As I said before. I think Calzaghe was a good fighter, he carved out a great career for himself. But his actual record, for whatever reason, is very padded and genuinely great victories are few and far between. That's not to say there aren't a few good/very good ones...

 

If he was american and 46 and 0 and his best wins were weight drained Eubank, Old BHop, shot RJJ, Hypejob Lacy, and robo Kessler

along with Tocker Pudwil, Mario veit and the evans ashiras

then he would have been shitted on even harder coz he didnt fight no elite fighter in their prime.

 

his screen name is 46and0...why are you ever bothering to try and reason with him?

 

Joe, get off the internet, son. You've spent too much time on it today. Come and help me with the sheep.

Enzo.

 

Just because 5-6 ESB members hates him with passion doesn`t mean an entire nation have the same opinion! I dont think americans underrate JC as much as it may sound in here sometimes!

But honestly i dont think he would be 46-0 if he was american or had more fights in the states

 

Calzaghe=fraud

 

pavlikness. beatable but would still be a bit of a challenge

 

Hes either underrated or overrated,there is absolutely no middle ground, im sick of these threads and posts like the one thats two above this one.

 

I didn't follow Joe's career from the start, but I kept up with his career through boxing magazines and publications. I remember thinking he would lose eventually when he fought the best at Super Middle, as he made his way up.

When he did fight good opposition he always stepped up and always impressed me. First Eubank, then Reid, Thornberry, Sheika, Woodhall, Brewster, Mitchell.. one by one, he basically beat the best his division had to offer at that point in time. The only notable guy he didn't fight was Ottke, who wouldn't fight out of Germany and was gifted many questionable decisions there. He was never going to fight Joe. Also before he won his title, Collins retired rather than face him.

People who didn't follow boxing at the time now look at those names on boxrec and assume these guys were easy fights. That's very unfair on Joe. They act like Joe was always a superstar and pound for pound fighter. That came at the tail end of his career.

None of the top guys wanted to risk fighting him back then as he wasn't widely recognised and they could take easier, higher profile fights. He should have fought Hopkins back in 2002, when both signed to fight, but for Hopkins reneging on the deal after realising what he gotten himself into. As for Jones, how is it fair to blame Joe for ducking someone a division above him? Roy couldn't even manage to make a fight with the biggest threat in his own division, DM, which everyone for years was calling for. I don't think a high risk, low reward fight like Calzaghe was even on his radar.

So Joe, as an established champ, just continued beating the best 168 had to offer. Lacy was supposed to crush him, and he gave one of the greatest schoolings you're ever likely to see in a big fight. He beat Bika and then the other young gun in Kessler, who was supposed to end his reign. That solidified himself as one of the greatest Super Middelweight ever, if not the best. It also confirmed his position as one of the very best pound for pound.

Only when he was at the top of the sport and Hopkins and Jones really had nothing to lose did they want to fight him. Joe should have given them a big "**** off", but I bet that would now have been seen as him ducking them. Instead he fights them in their backyard and beats them, and he is accused of beating up on old men lol. Anyway it was good he atleast got a couple of good paydays before hanging them up. Also good he retired at the top.

His resume wasn't the greatest in a pound for pound sense, as it is missing Jones and Hopkins in their prime. Like I mentioned those fights were almost impossible to make. But it's not that bad. For Super Middleweight his resume is up there as one of the very best. I sum up his career by saying he beat virtually everyone available to him and retired undefeated. You can't ask for too much more than that.

 

perhaps the most sensible post I've read on these Calzaghe threads.