The Men Outside Of The Ropes Who Ruined Careers Inside Of The Ropes

I don't think Warren has done that well with many of his fighters.

How many of his lads look great at domestic level but are immediately exposed (sorry) once they step up because they aren't properly prepared?

That isn't good promoting.

Mitchell fought his first fight above domestic level and was chinned in three rounds by Katsidis.

Lockett and Jennings were hammered by Pavlik and Cotto respectively.

All three would have lost anyway, but they looked like the proverbial fish out of water, hardly winning a round between them.

 

@bbeston,

Lockett and Jennings are bona-fide domestic class. What figths would they have taken that would have prepared for proper world class fighters like Pavlik/Cotto, The already suffered losses at domestic class prior to these fights. The fact they even got to fight on the big stage is fantastic promotion.

He knew they werent going to win, they knew they werent going to,like you said they were the proverbial whipping boys brought over to fall over and they did their job comendably without any lasting damage and a nice wedge in their pocket.

Now, I'd agree with you with the Mitchell fight but wasnt he off for what felt like 10 years with his hand problem. If he ddint have that maybe he would had the tough european exposure he required.

 

:deal

 

don king mike tyson

 

Naseem Hamed. Warren moved him to fight for the WBO title against Steve Robinson, rather then allow him to stay at super-bantam and challenge Barrera who had built a rep Stateside but wasn't yet the polished, ring savvy boxer who eventually did beat Hamed.

 

Lockett and Jennings wouldn't have got anywhere near Pavlik and Cotto without Warren. Is that good promoting or bad promoting, to get your fighter into a dream fight that makes them money but realistically is out of their league? I didn't see them turning the fights down anyway...

 

Warren once wrote in his article that when Nas was at SBW Barrera's people didnt want a thing to do with him. Point blank refused the fight

The reason I take his word for it in this instancewas beacuse it was an article defending Nas. Now you know if Frank writes an article defending a boxer who left him and subsequently cost him millions you know there must be some truth to it

 

Could be but I remember reading the boxing monthly article when Hamed-Robinson was being talked of, they mentioned how Naz was the WBO mandatory challenger for Barrera's super-bantam title, then the following month he miraculously becomes Robbo's mandatory despite having never fought at Featherweight. I'm more inclined to believe that Warren didn't want Hamed becoming a sensation in the US by mesmerising the highly rated Barrera as he knew US TV would be all over him.

 

And Louis Resto's to be honsest!!!

 

Don King bent Mike Tyson's career over a table and gave it one until its eyes watered.

As did Lou Duva to Meldrick Taylor when he told him he needed to win the 12th round of the Chavez fight.

Whoever managed the careers of David Reid, Fernando Vargas and Davey Moore really screwed up royal.

Teddy Atlas is trying to ruin Pacquiao's legacy with unsubstantiated rumours (probably lost too much money betting against him)

Primo Carnera's mob handlers left him penniless

 

Barney Eastwood arranging for McGuigan to roast as he fought. Lots of dodgy rumours about this fight ...

(the Stevie Cruz fight, obv.)

 

How much more of a legacy could Joe Calzaghe have been able to have? And i know there is some speculation that Calzaghe was reluctant to travel, and therefore it was his fault, but i ultimately i can't rate speculation. Frank Warren lets fighters off their leash towards the end of their careers. There's plenty of similar examples we can go through. Amir Khan made the right move to no end by leaving him imo.

I'm English, but unfortunately this is the way i see it. Fighters are just investments to him, and i can't knock a man's hustle, but as a purist who LOVES boxing, i'm fed up of it. My advice to any young English/British fighter who truly believes in his ability- move to America, and get the fights.

 

i bet plenty of females have caused boxers downfalls, arturu gatti,s bird comes to mind.

 

Robin Givens and Don King with Tyson.
The mobsters who controlled Liston.