The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

I said before you do. I never said you did.

You never answered my question what part of my previous post did you think was untrue?

 

I didn't like the drug test demands before. Floyd has no right to impose his own rules. I like them even less now. The worse part is the way that floyd boys try to justify it talking about floyd being the draw and ****. What the hell does that have to do with drug testing especially when just a few months ago 14 days was perfectly acceptable to you?

 

you are a troll alt...not going to get roped into an endless debate with you, sorry bro

 

i guess pbf wants drug testing all the way to the ring then because he said all the way to the fight.

****ing ******. and all these floyd idiot nuthuggers defending him. yeah sure. defend his mother****ing ducking ass.

 

This is not an alt account. You started this debate by telling me I got my facts wrong but failing to say what you think the facts are. I have asked you twice now and you chose to ignore the question both times. You are the only one that is dragging this debate out.

Reply if you want I am not going to ask you the same question again.

 

Up until the fights usually means they exclude the day of.

 

cintron was scared on pw

 

by that same token some people think using the whole ring is the only way to box. That if a fighter is throwing alot punches, he is not using ring genralship. Some people think being slick is the only way to box but that's not right.

 

cutting off the ring and/or using all the ring are both cases of ring generalship


some examples

froch/dirrell dirrell got accussed of running, but froch couldn't cut off the ring...there are two guys here, one was doinghis job (staying away from a sluggish but heavy handed guy) while the other was following a guy around, notcutting him off, just follwing him around [ugly fight though, don't get me wrong]

mar/pav martinez used the ring, and pav just followed him in a straight line, unable to shut off part of the ring and limit martinez's available space


on the other side


ward/kessler

kessler was so robotic that ward could cut him off and bully him on the inside, not allowing kessler any space



i think it goes both ways...if you can trap a guy and force him into slugging (force a guy who doesn't want that kind of brawl) you controlled the ring

if you can make a slugger chase you around, without being able to ever cut the ring down, and in the meantime jab and counter, you are using the space and controlling the ring/fight

however,

some fights, like the end of oscar/tito, oscar did run...he wasn't throwing much, his sepeartion was too much, he wasn't trying to counter, was just trying to not get hit

IMO

 

Froch was not just following Dirrell around eating punches, he was forcing Dirrell to give up his offense in order to avoid getting hit by punches. There's a reason Froch won that fight and it has nothing to do with corruption. Just cause one guy stays on the backfoot the whole time and is not forced into a slugfest does not mean he's winning rounds.

Notice how Dirrell was able to let his hands go alot more and be more dominant with Abraham? Its not cause Dirrell magically became a better fighter, its because Froch was using effective agression and ring genralship. Its not a coincidence that Dirrell let himself fall to the floor 7 or 8 times against Froch.

Its alot more subtle to catch on to that than to say about someone who is moving around the ring "That's great ring generalship". You have to understand waht you're looking at.

 

i think the dirrell/froch fight is arguable both ways, and could have gone to either guy

i don't think either guy did anything particularly well

i didn't see froch cutting off the ring, i saw him body slamming dirrell because he couldn't catch up to him

but whatever, ugly fight, and not the best example

 

if froch was able to body slammed dirrell then that means he caught him at some point. :huh Maybe not that regular but caught him several times.

 

Floyd is sure Pac won't agree to his demands. He's afraid to make this fight happen.

 

Floyd thought he could escape this fight with his lame drug-test garbage... now that Pac is accepting the 14-day cut-off which it became known that Floyd would go to initially, Floyd has to think up another get-out clause that he can sell to his adoring fans as a legitimate reason for not fighting.

It's as transparent as it is pathetic.

 

Escape?

atsch Yea, that's why he conceded to 14 days the first time around, cause he wanted nothing to do with pac.