the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Think this is Lora

http://www.youtube.com/user/Mantemostovoi

 

If that's him, I have to express my disappointment at somebody as high-brow as Mante succumbing to this as a favourited video:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_A77xlV4U4[/ame]

 

I actually don't remember adding anything to the favourites.I was probably severely drunk...or something.

 

But like the 'Gay porn' incident.

 

Harm's way hackney would **** you all up.

 

You what?

 

The guys name in that video.

 

You what?

 

Don't listen to him itry, he's just trying to ruin my hard earned internet rep.

 

Lora is/was Mantequilla the poster. Who got banned for posting gay porn, med it was his 'freinds'.

 

I know that. :roll:

Friends - in inverted commas, I see. The truth emerges. Some way for Mate to let his ESB cred take a tumble.

 

I agree on this anaylisis of it. Foreman was terrible commentating it he just swung off Toney's nuts that people watching at home would be biased by this. I felt it was super close, with very little to choose between the two.

Toney: 2,3,4,6,9,12
Griffith:1,5,7,8,10,11
Total: 114-114 Draw (6-6)

Griffith WMD12 Toney


James Toney vs Montell Griffin II

Another good fight between these two, although not as good as the first one. It is another odd fight, tactically, like the first one. Toney being the taller man, you would think he wants to keep it long, and Griffin being a midget he would want it inside. But infact it is the other way around, but both men have sucess doing things they do not want to do.

Early on Toney is pressuring behind his left jab, he is looking to jab to set up countershots and fall inside to do some work, but Griffin is abit hesitant on the outside and is looking to counter in fast combinations. Toney seems more the boss as he can ram his jab home abit harder. In the next two rounds Griffin starts to throw his combinations as he steps to his right and Toney cant get his balance right because of his cement feet not quick enough to step over to his left. Griffin takes these rounds by being mobile and landing nice combos. In the fourth Toney gets back to the jab and Griffen lets his workrate drop and really just throws afew flurries whilst being backed up by Toneys jab. In the fifth Toney starts to land the harder punches as Griffin fires back with fast combinations but Toneys harder shots win him the rounds.

In the sixth, Toney really is lazy and Griffin just stands out of range and outmanuevers Toney by stepping to the right and lands a qucik few combinations in a close-ish round. Toney tries to take the round with a hard combo late on but he hardly did anything before that. In the 7th both men fight very evenly at long range, Toney however packs the harder punch and it is noticeable in the round. But again in the eigth Griffin is able to take the round by staying outside with lateral movement and landing the occassional combo, but this time he does show a consistent and hard jab. The ninth was almost a carbon copy of the eigth except Toney landed a massive overhand right but did little else. In the tenth Griffin really used his little step to his right to great effect as he changed his angle then came in with combo's. But this round Toney had some success with some hard counters.

The 11th was very low activity. Griffin started off well setting some nice traps that Toney fell into and Griffin landed some hard lefts but then did hardly anything after this, and Toney stuns Griffin and lands a few hard shots to take the round. The 12th was another slowish round but both guys lacked the drive to take it and this suited Griffith who just outmanuvered Toney to grab the round.

What I found very odd is the HBO team were giving Toney nearly all of the mid-rounds just for plodding in behind his jab. I really couldnt see how Toney could get these rounds. Conversly, though, the judges scores were as shockingly wide for Griffith. It was a close fight that could have went either way, not a dominant performance by either man.

Toney: 1,4,5,7,11
Griffin: 2,3,6,8,9,10,12
Total: 115-113 Griffin (7-5)

Griffin WUD12 Toney

Ray Robinson vs Gene Fullmer I

A very nice tactical fight here. Fullmer I feel is type-casted as abit of a unthinking brawler but that is not the case. He actually seems fairly quick and clever. He is also adept at disrupting the rhythm of his opponent.

In the first Robinson cant get into his rhythm because of Fullmer's sharp jab that disprupts his rhythm. Some nice hooks by Fullmer also give him the round. Fullmer was sucessfull in closing the distance and landing quick barrages to Robinson that make it tough for Robinson to time. In the second Robinson got his jab working, but because of the awkward rhythm of Fullmer Robinson could'nt quite get his feet set and land his power-punches as counters behind the jab. Like I said in the first round Fullmer's speed took Robinson for surprise and he got inside alot quicker than Robinson thought, it also put Robinson on his heels. In the third Fullmer backs up abit and Robinson is able to box behind his jab and this allowed SRR to set his feet and let the power-punches go. In the fourth Robinson dispenses with the jab in favour of hard counter-punches as Fullmer rushes in. Robinson's right uppercut is a really hard punch in this round and as Fullmer comes in with his head abit down a hard Robinson uppercuts waits for him. The fifth went back to Fullmer's odd rushes which baffled Robinson, Fullmer got inside and took it but it was messy as he banged to the head and body.

It was more of the same in the sixth but Robinson didn't realy do much and allowed Fullmer to pour in. In the seventh Fullmer really gets inside and rips his punches to the body and head, he manages to knockdown Robinson but I did think a push helped Robinson down. This for me was a turning point in the fight as before this Robinson coped with Fullmer's strength well and looked on even terms but now Fullmer looked the stronger man. Robinson fired back with hard combinations after he got up but the end of the round came before he could do any real damage. In the eigth with Robinson abit wary he kept the distance well and was able to get more room to time his counters for Fullmer's rushes. When Fullmer got inside after taking a counter he did some good work but Robinson had the harder, cleaner shots. The ninth was slower as both men took abit of a rest, Robinson landed a hard combination near the end of the round to nick it. Fullmer looked hesitant in the tenth as he stayed away from Robinson, however, he stopped punching his way into the rushes and just rushed inside and did some good work on the inside, I felt he wasnt too sucessfull not punching his way in but because he didnt 'warn' Robinson with his jab to begin the rush, Robinson didnt quite figure it out.

Fullmer must have been reading my mind as in the 11th he began to jab his way into the rushes. The jab set up his body work as Fullmer stepped inside and Robinson really seemed to offset Robinson more than usual. The twelth was taken by Robinson as he flurried occasionally in his own bursts to take the round. The thirteenth was unlucky for Ray as Fullmer was able to rush in more effectivly and Robinson's timing looked really messed up as he missed his counters. Fullmer got inside and worked away to take the round. In the fourteenth Fullmer got his jab working again and set up nice straight rights to the body and stunned Robinson with one. In the fifteenth Robinson really made a stand to take the fight as he landed some very hard combos despite ebing knackered.

I thought my scorecard was the most you could have it to Ray, any wider to Fullmer I could see. But a DRAW was the furthest I could see it in favour of Ray.

Fullmer: 1,5,6,7,10,11,13,14
Robinson: 2,3,4,8,9,12,15 KD'd 7
Total: 143-141 Fullmer (8-7)

Fullmer WUD15 Robinson


Gene Fullmer vs Ray Robinson II

Robinson just starts this fight much better, knowing who to deal with Fullmer abit better than last time. He starts off controlling the range abit better and is able to counter those rushes that Fullmer does. Robinson also feints tieing Fullmer up abit and allowing Ray to land repeatedly a hard left hook. Fullmer is more hesitant in the second but still takes the round as his bursts catch Ray abit more unaware due to the infrequency of them. The third round is missing. In the fourth Robinson comes out aggresivly backing Fullmer up with hard combinations, after this both men stay wary of each other but Robinson lets his hands go that slight more. In the final round there is not much of note until Ray feints and Fullmer looks to rush him and just as Fullmer steps in Ray times his left hook over Fullmers low held guard and takes him out.

I'm not sure if Robinson was deliberatly trying to set up this hook as it looked very impulsive.

Robinson WKO5 Fullmer

 

Sumbu Kalamabay vs Mike McCallum I

Not entirely what I expected, although I cant put my finger on why.

From the off set both guys stayed at range and jabbed Kalambay just seemed quicker, snappier and sharper than McCallum who as a result couldnt quite get in a rhythm. As the bout wore on (my favrouite phrase in this thread) Kalambay slowly started to reveal everything in his arsenal piece by piece. he established his counters by coutering McCallum with hard straight rights and then slowly introduced the left hook to his counter-punching repertoi. Then after establishing the counter-punching he started to lead more with his own combinations and back McCallum up. A real complete performance by Kalambay who beat McCallum in every department. McCallum I felt had his best round in the 3rd which he won (but the only round he won) when he threw some combos and sealed the round with some nice right hands but that was the full extent of his sucess. It was all Kalambay as McCallum quickly ran out of all plans, by the 9th he was reduced to plodding forward and looking pnderous.

Kalambay WUD12 MCCallum