Top 5 Bantamweights, head to head?

That sounds quite cheeky and pretentious but I meant like does he want me to go further into it, but couldnt word it.

 

Sure, if you elaborated. I haven't seen enough footage of Brown in particular to judge that. How much is there, really?

I think most were bigger punchers, but that Canizales had better technical skills and footwork than any of them. But alas, he never proved it like they did.

 

I am pained to say I'm still yet to see footage of Brown.......genuinely depressing.

 

Anyway, Khaokor at no.1 of course

 

Another thing about Ortiz is that in arguably the best and cetainly most extensive performance we have of his, he is fighting a canto\pascual perez'esque midget.It could be a bit misleading due to the vast size difference.

 

Off the top of my head, I can't see him beating Olivares, as Olivares is just as quick as Canizales and is better offensivly. I really dont see where Canizales can get the upper hand as Olivares would be able to get in and force it offensivly, as well as having that good boxing skills.

Zarate is a better boxer-puncher, although not as mobile he hits harder and IMO more adpatable as he would suss a guy out then see what he had to do, whereas Canizales normally forced himself on his opponent. I think Zarate would be able to get the better of it when Canizales let his hands go as Zarate was a very accurate and good counter-puncher and would be able to pick Canizales off with hard shots and get the better of the exchanges.

I'll be honest with the other three I am not entirely 100%, I think Brown is a bad stylistic match up for anyone, a tall rangy counterpuncher with fats ahnds and decent pop. With Jofre, I see it a bit like how I imagine the Zarate fight and I would give canizales the best chance against Ortiz, but I'm not sure on that 100%.

 

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He does have a really impressive right-hand.throws 2 and 3 punch one-handed combinations with it seamlessly.

It's his longevity and number of defences as THE champ that stands out most for me.I'd personally be cautious about rating him too highly head to head.

 

It sounds obvious when you put it like that... but what if you're a stand-up boxer in a division crowded with great brawlers? You may be a better fighter, but you'll end up on the losing end stylistically of a lot of match-ups. Seems a bit unfair.

 

Definitly his achievements is better than his talent. But on the inside he is very skilled, can you see any Bantamweight beating him there? He also seems to be very sturdy and tough, can't see anyone knocking him out and thats helpful when there is some big-punchers in your weight that you could perhaps beat on the inside if you could take their shots.

How do you see him and Olivares matching up?

I think there is a good mix of styles at Bantamweight in the guys I mentioned, but as I stated in some way all of them are better than Canizales IMO. In a purely H2H sense its right, but as you are saying Canizales is a good boxer and he wont get his full dues in a H2H situation IMO, because of this.

I dont put too much into H2H's anyway, just a bit of fun.

 

Right just watched some Ortiz.

Very impressed with him.

In. I dont think Ortiz does too well against Castillo in all honesty. I think hes quite lackdasical defensivly compared to the Toweel footage. He uses a cross arm defence and headmovement, he looks to block the jab with his right hand or to slip to the side, using both manuevers he is effective at getting inside IMO, witht he slip he tends to throw a long left then fall in after it, with the parry he seems to let a combo go then fall in after it.

The way he falls in is like Duran, the way he fires off his shots and under the cloak of them gets inside. On the inside he positions himself very well, he gets his head under his mans shoulder where his head cant be hit and he gets his arms down the middle so he can get his shots off and force his man to go wide. feet are placed well allowing him to move backwards or forwards easily and still being able to punch from his position.

Another technique he uses to get inside is that he feints with his shoulders alot and looks to bring his man onto powershots using his feints than slides in after throwing them. His accuracy is also pretty good and his right hand is particular sharp. His body punching is good also, as he works it regulary to wear you down but can also take someone out with a well placed body shot, he works his right hand to the body particular well IMO.

One thing that surprised me that I didnt remember was that he didnt mind being pushed back and actually did well going backwards whilst inside and did some nice work off the ropes.

Quite a bad match up for anyone IMO, just my random thoughts on him.

 

Also, I think Jimmy Carruthers could warrant a shout here, from what I remember he was a tidy southpaw boxer-puncher who could hit hard and boxed very well, I'm just away to watch his fights with Toweel.

 

I think zarate gets too much credit, he's beaten 5 ranked fighters his whole career. Out of all the fighters that were chosen to the ring magazine 80 best of the last 80 years, zarate has the weakest resume. He beat martinez, ferrari, davila, zamora, amores, sosa. That's it, his resume is pretty much those guys, the rest of his wins are tijuana cab drivers. Yet Zarate is always chosen to beat any bantamweight in the last 30 years, whether its chandler, canizales, montiel, vazquez or rafeal marquez. At least those guys fought ranked contenders, they didnt waste thier whole career feasting on nobody cans.

 

And yet how many of them managed to score a win as big as Zarate's over Zamora?

Most people also thought Zarate beat Pintor as well, who also was a great or near-great fighter.