Carlos Monzon .Vs. Bob Foster

:good100% correct mate.
at he same time, early 70's, jose napoles a world class welter stepped up in weight to challenge monzon.........and was crushed.as you say foster got pummelled by frazier and monzon would have been hammered by foster.no doubt

 

I'll take it as red from a Monzon fan, but how do we know it never happened? Is it a dodgy source?

 

Napoles was another example..and I know that there were many who believed his foray into the 160 lb. class was justified based on his great ability and dominance as the 147 lb champ and not on whether he was ideally suited to the middleweight division.

 

Two Monzon myths that are false but still live on...
1. Monzon was 6'-2" tall...FALSE, he was 5'-11-1/2" tall
2. Monzon sparred with Joe Frazier...FALSE, it never happened..and some common sense should tell you that...nowhere will you find a factual account of Monzon and Frazier sparring..and especially of Frazier being shown up or dominated by the 160 lb. king, even an alltime great one like Monzon. The negative press on that would have been blown up to gargantuan proportions, especially by that most vocal of Frazier's opponents, Muhammad Ali.

 

Sparring is usually different to fighting though my friend. When I've spared, I don't hit smaller men with any real force in sparring and pulled my punches. In such a situation a smaller man can often look better because the bigger man goes easy on them. Phili fighters take sparing more seriously traditionally although I'd expect the same unwritten rule to stand firm all the same

Not saying it happened just saying

 

Yes PowerPuncher, trust me, I know sparring is different from the real fight..but all the same, don't you think that a story like that, of Frazier and Monzon sparring together would have generated a much bigger story in boxing lore? Monzon, by the way, was very unique in his manner of training, esp. sparring. He never engaged in gym wars...thinking that it was foolish, and he actually said that he would tell young fighters not to do that sort of thing, because they leave too much of themselves in that ring in the gym. Frazier, on the other hand, being a Philly fighter at heart, no doubt expended more effort in gym battles.

 

B.F. to much power for a game Monzon Ko 8th rd

 

Foster too big and powerful for King Carlos.

 

Very true. From what I've heard, Frazier used to go all out in sparring, just ask Larry Holmes. Monzon on the other hand took it very easy in sparring. I doubt there's any truth to the Monzon-Frazier rumour, where did it even start?

 

I don't know, but it can't be true...you can create any kind of internet legend, especially about two fighters, one who's dead and another who's not too articulate in his old age...you know it never happened if you've followed boxing over the years...and if it was such a bad showing for Frazier, as the legend goes, then I'm sure that would have been a newsmaker, and today it would be somewhere on the internet and it isn't.

 

Skip to 2 minutes into this video of the build-up for Hagler vs Scypion to hear Vito Antuefermo say that Monzon ko'd Frazier in sparring.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EThk2eGcRBQ[/ame]

 

Great find, think this deserves a new thread

 

Fair enough but Frazier took Foster`s shots better than Monzon would have.

 

Foster easily beats Monzon IMO. Too big, too long, too powerful. Monzon may win the odd round, may see say, the tenth. But he never looks close to winning the fight.

 

He'll hit the canvas alright. It's just a matter of time.

Once Bob lands on his head, he wont be getting up. Ever see a boxer will himself to get up when he's asleep?