Classic opinion on Foreman vs Cotto

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    guess this fight doesnt interest anyone here.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It interests me loads, but I post about it in the general forum.

    No offence meant.
     
  4. Addie

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    I believe Miguel Cotto has too much class for the likes of Yuri Foreman, who capitalised on a really, really bad version of Daniel Santos. It may take a few rounds, but I favor Miguel Cotto's hard, pounding combination's and body work to slow down the movement of Foreman, who'll probably be saved by his corner down the stretch. It could be that I'm underestimating the size advantage and awkwardness of Yuri, but I've never come away impressed with any of showings. Cotto may just be a reinvigorated fighter with the inclusion of Steward. Goodluck to both.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Interesting how Classic is now defined as being distinct from General on account of a different intellectual approach rather than actual content.
     
  6. McGrain

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    The snobbery about the GF deeves me actually. It's really not as bad as all that if you can just identify who you are talking to.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    In theory a fighter moving up a division after taking 2 beatings in 4 fights against a big tall titlist in a division above should have problems. But Yuri can't fight tall he hasn't got a jab from what I've seen of him, and gives up his height/range, which suits Cotto just fine. No pop on his shots, decent speed/movement but looks to be an easy target. Yuri isn't particularly special, he's a titlist because he's been manouvered into that position because he sells to the Jewish demographic

    Cotto by stoppage, and if he can't beat Yuri he needs to hang them up
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Exactly what I believe to be true. Cotto can't hang with the likes of Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez, or even Dzinziruk...but Foreman is not a special talent, and he's never been anywhere near a ring with someone with the capabilities of a Miguel Cotto.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Foreman does hold certain advantages though.

    He is a mover, and Cotto has had difficulty getting set quickly since Margarito. He has a jab that is no worse and a much better reach. On the inside, he's good at tying a man up.

    Intangibles include a new weight for Cotto, his mental state at the back of a horrible beating, a new weight-class which impacts stamina and legs, two new weaknesse for Cotto...I like Miguel, but no money down, and it's a pick from the gut.
     
  10. Addie

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    I think Foreman is very fortunate to be a titlist. I call him a titlist as opposed to a champion because I really don't see him holding the title for too long. If he beats a 2010 Miguel Cotto, congratulations to him, but he isn't the best at 154lbs.

    You make good points though. I didn't honestly see to much evidence of a faded Cotto in the ring with Pacquiao...I just saw a very good fighter in Cotto up against a truly great one. He was competitive in the exchanges, he just couldn't take the heat, and that's been his problem in the past also. Judah had him buzzed pretty badly, and this was a man who was supposedly ridden of his chin issues after moving up to Welterweight. I never believed it to be true.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Cotto looked slow in getting off against Jennings, though he still looked excellent against that type of fighter - a fighter not entirely dis-similair from Foreman - and looked a little quicker versus Clottey, who has legs of lead, of course, but he did appear to gas a little in that fight. Against Pacquiao, he showed that re-set issue again, just took a little longer than he used to to get it all organised, which of course left him enormously vulnerable to a slashing puncher.

    Steward says there is no co-orination issue though, says he is okay. We'll see.

    You are right to say Foreman isn't #1 at his weight, but does he need to be #1 against Cotto, who is #5 at the weight below? Maybe not...I favour Cotto, but I think Foreman has a real good chance. I think it will be a close decision.
     
  12. Addie

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    I honestly believe that if Cotto cannot defeat a Foreman level opponent he should hang them up. Even in the event it goes to a razor thin decision.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Well if he beats the WBA light-middleweight champion, he won't be hanging them up. Especially with a serious payday for an easy night against Chavez or possibly Duddy right around the corner.
     
  14. Addie

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    As I said, in the event he cannot defeat Foreman.
     
  15. red cobra

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    I think that Yuri will frustrate and outbox Cotto early on and he'll have his moments until the mid rounds when Cotto will get his belated wakeup call and start to come on strong, rattling and shaking up the young Foreman, who may start to unravel in the process. A concerted body attack will take it's toll and Cotto will gain confidence, but I don't think he'll stop Yuri, who will grimly hang on, out of his element for the most part and suck up a late rounds beating, and will earn some respect for his gutsiness if nothing else. It may be that Cotto either isn't himself anymore and dosen't have it after being ravaged by the Pacman, or he won't be sufficiently "up" for this fight and hasn't returned to his old self, but he'll have to settle for a relatively unspectaculsr, workmanlike decision over Yuri. A late rounds kd for Cotto is possible, but I don't know enough about Foreman's chin to be sure about that.