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  1. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweather earlier questioned Pacquiao’s stature among boxing greats.

    “He beat a Miguel Cotto who got pummeled with a cast and he beat a Ricky Hatton that got stretched by me… That’s not for me to put him in the Hall of Fame,” Mayweather said.

    “Manny Pacquiao struggled twice, which we really know he got beat, struggled twice with Marquez, which we know he really lost. Right? And we know he been knocked out twice and he got outboxed by Erik Morales, but then they still give him Boxer of the Decade. So that’s another thing I don’t understand,” added Mayweather.


    Are you with Floyd that Pacquiao doesn't deserve the "Fighter of the Decade" award?
     
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  2. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    No, it was a toss up between Mayweather and Pacquiao.
     
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  3. Scott-Robson

    Scott-Robson Active Member Full Member

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    Kind of..I think it's a pretty volatile subject..
    Depends whether you're basing it just on boxing, or including the rise from Pacquiao's background and things like that..

    I don't think that i would personally give the award to him, but i also wouldn't give it to Floyd..
     
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  4. J.E.Cash

    J.E.Cash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Pac's massive jump in weight, and dominance over fighters within those weights was enough to earn him fighter of the decade. Over the last decade, he has certainly been one of the most exciting fighters to watch.
     
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  5. crimson

    crimson Boxing Addict banned

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    Discussed several times already.

    Mayweather Jr. is not exactly a neutral party here. That beings said, no I disagree with him. Mayweather assumes, incorrectly, that a perfect record must mean a better resume. If that was the case then Calzaghe would have as strong, if not stronger claim to FoTD than Mayweather. He did beat 2 legit ATG.

    If Pac is not deserving of it, then PBF is not either as I personally feel Pac's resume is clearly stronger than PBF.

    He can claim he is the most talented or technically skilled, but as far resume goes - the more important barometer - Pac has that one.
     
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  6. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    sure he deserved it
     
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  7. Keueng

    Keueng Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That two year lay-off gave Pac the edge IMO
     
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  8. timmyjames

    timmyjames PTurd curb stomper Full Member

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    totally

    you can't not fight the last 20% of the decade while other guys are kickin' azz and expect to be given the award
     
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  9. Scott-Robson

    Scott-Robson Active Member Full Member

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    Hmm..Didn't think about that, agreed..
     
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  10. fytelod

    fytelod Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sorry but it wasn't even a toss up. Pacquiao won the award decisively.


    Excerpts from an article:

    "BWAA (Boxing Writers Association of America) president Jack Hirsch said that Pacquiao’s wins were more decisive than those of his counterparts from 2000 to 2009.

    "He closed the decade very strongly, beating a number of high-profile men,” said Hirsch. “It was the type of thing where it did come down to him or Mayweather. And whoever the voters voted for, there couldn't have been a big argument against either choice."

    While the BWAA did not release the exact tally of votes, he said Pacquiao finished with a distant lead over two others, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Joe Calzaghe, both undefeated boxers.

    Mayweather has a record of 41 wins and no loss, while Calzaghe retired with a record of 46-0."

    "I was not surprised that he won," said Hirsch. "I was a bit surprised by the decisiveness of Pacquiao's winning, however.”
    "Pacquiao's margin was so decisive, and if the voters felt Mayweather deserved it, they would have obviously voted for him,” he added.

    :D
     
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  11. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep. If you count it as an entire body of work. Even with FMJ's retirement, in the head to head comparison Pac is beaten.

    Still, there is no harm in giving it to him. Pac gets awards. Mayweather gets checks. Fans get great fights. Still it is down to an either|or comparison and that doesn't constitute Pac being anywhere near underserving.
     
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  12. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    :patsch

    Are you really that ******ed?

    I know it wasn't an actual toss up but I FEEL that you couldn't go wrong with either guy.

    Jesus. You are so quick to respond with that... if it was a toss up you think I am somehow hating on Pac when I say that.
     
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  13. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    The most recent thing people have seen is the most important thing to them.
     
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  14. realsoulja

    realsoulja Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Pacqiuao
    2. Mayweather
    3. Hopkins

    But it is close but clear between all three.
     
    realsoulja, Jun 1, 2010
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  15. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    Most of Floyds opppnents have been beat in better fashion than he managed. I don't know why he comes out with this ****?
     
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