The UFC have missed trick with GSP vs KOS as the next TUF !!!

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  1. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    For me it just had to be team UK vs USA 2 and Hardy and Kos as the coaches , this would of been fireworks from the word go added to that the UK blew away team USA last time out pretty much so there is unfinished business from that prespective .

    Additionally , i dont see Koscheck as the outright #1 contender , i mean only 4 fights ago the guy was knocked out by Paulo Thiago without a hint of a re match :lol: , ****in laughable , then beats Trigg and somehow tapped Anthony Johnson after doing his usual theatrics yet again after not being hit in the eye !!!!!!!

    John Fitch is the best WW besides GSP , he's proved it , i didnt include Thiago Alves there because there is a huge ??? over him with the nature of his injuries , how Koscheck can be seen as the outright #1 contender is way way beyond me !!!!!
     
  2. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Hardy is coming off of a loss. I think Hardy needed to fight Kos to earn the GSP fight. I would have loved to see that fight under a UK vs USA theme.

    Kos is decent at the moment. He's earnt his shot by facing 2 young guns.

    In fairness, Fitch could do with another shot. He's beaten Thiago who beat Kos. The difference is that Kos has a mouth on him and he's reinvented himself as a fighter. Fitch is still the wrestling decision man who hasn't scored a stoppage in 3 years!
     
  3. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Hardy is coming of a loss to GSP , thats the same GSP who has blitzed everybody worth writing home over in the UFC for the last 2 years , that cant really be seen as that much of a negative , round about the time that Hardy and GSP got signed Mike Swick was the outright #1 contender and the Hardy fight was seen as a tune up / confirmation fight that Swick was actually the outright #1 contender , so what happened Hardy battered him ........................hhhmmmmm who is now the top dog behind GSP ???? thats how Hardy got his shot , whether is twas deserved or not Dan Hardy was really the only man who warranted a title shot at that present moment in time .

    Koscheck Johnson for me was really a robbery , Koscheck was on his way to gassing after admittingly not taking Johnson that seriously and fained injury AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he subsequently got a rest just as Johnson was looking to force a finish and got a submission , a ****in joke !!!!!

    John Fitch is the man who has re invented himself , his muay thai skills are some of the best in the division , and when you have a top game like his you are awlays going to be a wrestler before your anything else , dont fool yourself on Koschecks stand up , you could see the difference in levels with Daley and Koscheck in the stand up department just by Koschecks reactions to Daley's feints , it was almost a mismatch on the feet although thats no dis respect to Koscheck , Daleys stand up is on another level to most fighters in the world :deal .

    John Fitch may not have been blowing people away but nobody barring GSP has even come close to KO'ing him , and Koschecks been knocked out !!!! , he doesnt deserve it . It should be GSP Fitch , Hardy Kos , the winner of Hardy Kos should fight Alves when fit and the winner of that gets the winner of GSP Fitch , thats how i see it .
     
  4. FORMIDABLE

    FORMIDABLE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You know what would've been the ultimate? GSP vs Silva. GSP needs a challenge, Silva needs an opponent to motivate him. Dana White wants it. The next TUF would've been a perfect promotional vehicle for the best fight the UFC can make.

    Koscheck-GSP is very uninspiring. I guess the UFC will rely on Koscheck talking alot of **** and a good guy/bad guy theme to sell this fight. The fight will not be competitive. GSP is too good for Koscheck, even in the wrestling department
     
  5. (PimpThaSystem)

    (PimpThaSystem) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They need to do a WEC TUF already and get some guys to fill up the 125 division.
     
  6. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really??????? Seems to me the only striking he does is to set up takedowns, if that. Some of the best in the division? Are you really telling me that his stand up is on par with Alves, GSP, Hardy etc. No chance! And neither is Koschecks like you said.

    Regardless I agree that Fitch should be in line for a shot before Koscheck, but only marginally. These top guys need to fight each other. Fitch is fighting Alves next I believe and if he beats him he'll be the clear number 1 contender.
     
  7. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Ok lets put this in perspective , Thiago Alves P4P may be the best most well rounded striker in MMA period , arguable ??? , i wasnt putting Fitch on that level was I ??? i mereley said his muay thai is some of the best in the division , so lets look a little deeper than GSP , Thiago & Hardy :

    Paulo Thiago , Nate Diaz , Marcus Davis , Ben Saunders , Mike Swick , Josh Koscheck , Ricardo Almeida , Deigo Sanchez , Carlos Condit .

    Fitch's stand up ability is by no means below any of the above mentioned , give or take 1 or 2 of them , or you can say well actually Fitch's stand up is better than most of that list , what ever , the point i was making is that Fitch has evolved his stand up to a more technical level than Koscheks , Kos has a couple of big TKO's under his belt but Fitch is way way more technically better than Kos in every department of the stand up game , he may have less power but if its a kick boxing match between them Fitch is outpointing Kos every time .
     
  8. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok I'll definitely give you that. He is probably a technically better striker than Koscheck in my book too. Then again I don't rate Koschecks striking at all really. When you said some of the best in the division I automatically put that as on par with the very best. From the list you gave I'd say only maybe Saunders, Swick maybe Davis are better.
     
  9. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Koscheck got the fight because on paper he presents a more difficult fight then Fitch does and for the moment those are the top 2 contenders. Fitch got totally dominated by GSP and dropped like 4 times I think the UFC wants to avoid that rematch until it just has to be made. Koscheck was somewhat competitive in the 1st GSP more so then anyone has been vs GSP since the 1st Serra fight. That and they wanted to make Alves-Fitch II thats been promised so many times and hasnt happened. Heres my hope since GSP-Koscheck II is probably in December you take the winner of Kampmann-Paulo Thiago vs Fitch-Alves II winner and match them on the GSP-Kos II undercard later this year. But Dana didnt listen when I said Cain should be fighting Dos Santos on the Carwin-Lesnar undercard so instead JDS has to keep proving himself while Cain gets to relax until around November and gets a title shot.
     
  10. thewinfella

    thewinfella The Golden Boy Full Member

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    Cant argue with a lot of that TBH :good , a little unsure where Thaigo & Kampman enter the picture other than to confirm that Alves or Fitch are the outright #1 fighters behind the champ ..................... , a bit like a stay busy kind of fight ala Liddell Sobral back in the day .
     
  11. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well I just mention Kampmann because he is a quality fighter who happens to be fighting Paulo Thiago next. Just examine Paulo since joining the UFC he KOed Koscheck (the next title challenger), lost a close fight to Fitch whos probably the 2nd best at 170 behind GSP, clearly defeated Jacob Volkmann (not really a big deal), dropped then choked out Mike Swick who was 9-2 in the UFC and lost decisions. I think an impressive win vs Kampmann or a win at all should enter this man into the title contender discussion because if GSP is the Champ well its a fresh fight as opposed to Fitch/Alves or if Koscheck wins well then Paulo gives him a chance to avenge another loss. Like I said though let them all fight if Paulo can beat Koscheck, Swick, Kampmann, Alves/Fitch then hes a deserving contender just like if Fitch comes out the winner considering that will be 6 consecutive wins since GSP he will clearly have earned his shot and Alves beating possibly Fitch and Paulo Thiago gives him a tremendous arguement regardless of who the Champion is especially if its Koscheck though based on his win at UFC 90.
     
  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Kos got the shot over Fitch in a similar way that Edgar got the shot over Maynard. Dana is thinking about marketing, style match up, performances etc
     
  13. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Johnson thumbed Koscheck's eye. For real.
     
  14. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem being that Hardy is not actually worthy of a title shot.
     
  15. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you saying his striking is more well rounded (he has lots of striking tools?) or that he is the most well rounded in all aspects of MMA while being considered a striker?

    The first is basically impossible to argue, the second is closer but still hard. His boxing isn't as good as several other strikers.

    I don't think Fitch is particularly any more technically sound as a striker than Koscheck. He certainly isn't as effective, and while Kos does tend to go for big shots, I wouldn't really call one more technical than the other.