Sonny Liston vs Rocky Marciano

Ali could hit Rocky at will for 15 rounds and possibly never seriously hurt him ... he would outpoint him and possibly stop him on cuts but he would not have been dangerous for Rocky. Liston hit like a truck. His jab was brutal. There is no way Rocky survives an early round pounding from Liston and remains on his feet. There is no doubt in my mind that Liston would destroy him by KO or a merciful ref's stopage and this is why I feel he is a much more dangerous math up ... there is a huge difference between standing up to 38 year old Walcott and standing up to the power of a prime Liston.

 

Besides being at least two inches taller and twenty five pounds of muscle heavier I guess the 15" plus reach advantage means little in this match up ? They are actually mirror images ....

 

I agree with this.

Liston late TKO.

 

Cleveland Williams was the same size and sported a 31-1 record when he met 174 lb Bob Satterfield and was dropped 3 times and KO"D in 3,Satterfield was later KO'd by Charles,Moore and Layne so even though Williams was a good fighter and a big man so much for size over quality.

 

Bummy,

Cleveland was pretty physically immature and green when he fought satterfield despite his fabulous record(built up on mostly club fighters). He was only 20 years old, about 15lb lighter than his best weight, and it was a major step up in competition for Williams. Williams also took the fight on late sub notice. I think the Williams of 1960 flattens satterfield.

 

Two inches taller is little. Liston was the bigger, heavier guy, but then Marciano's heart weighs a lot more than Sonny's. The reach difference also means that Marciano is more effective on the outside, and to be honest i can't imagine Liston jabbing his way to a decision. Nor being able to, since he's not light on his feet.

 

That is one of Liston's massive issues.

 

Liston used his jab to set up the uppercut, which worked perfectly against the bobbing & weaving Patterson.

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I honestly don't even understand your point ... Sonny's 15" reach advantage helps Marciano ? Are you serious ? Sonny did not slap his jab ... Sonny's jab was a power shot in it's own right and he used it to set up his hooks and uppercuts, shots that would pulverize a smaller, average speed fighter like Rocky.

Not only is Sonny bigger, heavier, much stronger with a huge reach advantage, he's the much harder hitter ... I see this as a heavyweight version of Hagler/Minter ... this is why weight divisions exist ...

 

:hi: Pepping it!

 

I agree pretty slow feet, and Sonny never learned the geometry of the ring ,which his protege Foreman did.Sonny just followed you around ,no lateral movement.
Does it make a crucial difference aginst Marciano though?
Rocky was slow afoot ,so I do not beleive he could capitalise on Liston's ONE glaring weakness.

 

And there should be a seperate thread for c***s who play the race card.

 

when you find the forum for biased Idiots call it home. Do you really consider Oscar Bonavena in a class with Marciano and we all know Foreman was stopped because he had a small gas tank, Marciano did not.

Hey is this Dr. Z" AKA" Mendoza or just another hater

by the way Joe Louis was as black as Ali, not 100% but neither was Ali but they black enough for most black folks

 

Against "Movers," Yes.
Eddie Machen, for example, gave Liston some trouble and went the distance because he wasn't there to stand toe to toe with Liston.

He had trouble with some guys that could move around.

Last time I checked, Marciano wasn't exactly "light on his feet" either and he wasn't moving backwards.
Remember, His name was "ROCK" and that Rock had a short reach.