Random Drug Testing - Is mayeather really scared of pacquiao or is he a Pac Fan?

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  1. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For those of us who like to have an intelligent debate around the whole blood testing mess, which has been created as a result of this potential fight, i'd thought i would share a few thoughts on the issue.

    There is one thing which i find particularly interesting with the demand for random drug testing proposed by Floyd. Many commentators including HBO's Max kellerman have questioned the motives for floyd posing this demand. An underlying theme appears to be that mayweather, or the mayweather's speaking as a group, have only demanded such stringent testing for the pacquiao fight (initially), due to the devastating and extraordinary nature of performances, pacquiao has allowed us to witness since stepping up in weight.

    I would start by saying the only reason someone would demand an extra level of security (random drug testing), was if what they were seeing in that ring was far beyond what they themselves believed they could acheive (as self proclaimed best fighter ever). If pacquiao was barely winning fighter would the testing demand have been raised? I just rewatched both pacquiao-clottey and mayweather-baldomir. Most people before pacquiao clottey regarded Joshua to be the overall better figther compared to Carlos. Now, i compare the two fights due to the similarity of the challenges posed to both main attraction fighters.

    Both Baldomir and Clottey are know to have granite chin's at least at WW. Both also had at least a 10lb weight advantage over their opponent in their respective fights. The way in which both main attraction fighters went about winning those fights was completey different though. Before analysing the fights themselves its probably best to point out that clottey in being the better fighter, has a far better defence and offence than baldomir.

    Now mayweather wins a dominating victory over his larger foe, but he also experiences something in that ring which perhaps he hasnt experienced before. He finds the limits of his physical capability. He cant appear to hurt this man in front of him, but also he can easily and without getting hit at all win a comfortable decision. This is why his demand upon pacquiao for random drug testing is so important. Bear in mind, it is floyd's belief (in my view honest ), that he is the best P4P fighter in the world and he no doubt also believes he is the best WW after dominating shane.

    Pacquiao also fights someone who is much larger than him, and has that famous granite jaw but this time that fighter also has a good defence. What pacquiao does however in the fight, in the way he fights clottey is why mayweather is demanding the random drug testing. Pacquiao from the opening bell is willing to trade with clottey and it is clottey who will not oblige. Also at various points in the fight, paquiao is actually pushing clottey back. Bear in mind also that mayweather is bigger than pacquiao. So mayweather is thinking, how is this guy who is smaller than me, has less skill than i have managing to do what i did to baldomir to a better opponent. Now i know some may say that mayweather completely shutting out baldomir at the time was as dominating a victory as pacquiao shutting out clottey, but not to floyd it wasnt. This view of floyd's was most likely further confirmed by clottey's words in the immediate post fight interview where he stated that he was unwilling to open up for fear of being caught. Now remember this is the same fighter who was tearing it up with margarito.

    The cotto and hatton fights must also be considered here. Now miguel cotto is someone people genuienly acknowleged as being capable of beating pacquiao and indeed he was doing well for a while. He also was savagely beaten, and this former Flyweight champ was walking down a strong WW. Again many would probably say that mayweather would also have beaten miguel, and he probably would have, and maybe he would have taken less punishment. But in mayweather's eyes pacquiao did something to cotto which he himself believed he could not do. Against hatton, mayweather dissects hatton in clinical fashion and barely takes a clean punch the whole fight. Pacquiao detroys hatton in two rounds. Mayweather again probably asked, how has this person with less skill and size beaten such an opponent more convingly.

    The mayweathers do not believe someone like pacquiao is capable of doing the things he has done without the help of some type of advantage. More potent to this suggestion is that mayweather does not believe he could have done the things manny has done were he not aided in some way. I do agree that such random drug testing is the proper way to go in the sport of boxing but mayweather's motives are not to clean up the sport of boxing. His motives stem for geunine amazement as to what pacquiao has managed to achieve in the ring.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post. Although he won't admit it, I do think he has genuine respect for Pac's abilities, but not enough to believe Pac is capable of defeating him. But Floyd being Floyd (meaning he'll leave nothing to chance), will do everything in his power to have a less than 100% Pacquiao in the ring.
     
  3. TheJuggernaut

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    You make some very good points.
    Mayweather obviously has a very healthy respect for what Pac can do in the ring. Im willing to bet that theres even a little bit of fear of Manny, not saying that hes terrified of him but I think he does make Floyd a bit nervous. What he has been doing in the ring is surprising to practically everyone, including Floyd, hence, as we all know, the steroid allegations. Like you said, if Pac was barely winning there would be no drug testing fiasco whatsoever. Its because Pac's been looking like a machine destroying guys who people thought he wouldnt have much of a chance against.
    Someone made a thread asking why people think its impossible for a professional boxer to be afraid of someone? Its a great question, whenever someone talks about this guy being afraid of that guy, people always think saying "he's not scared he fights for a living!" Bull****, look how many professional fighters were TERRIFIED of Mike Tyson. Bowe was obviously scared of Lennox. And I think Floyds a bit scared of Pacquiao.
     
  4. TheJuggernaut

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    Interesting points.
    He's not just scared of losing, he's scared of losing to Pac. This is why all this **** was started in the first place, he sees something in Pac and he thinks that he can possibly lose to him. Why else would all this steroid bull**** come into play.
    "theres too much on the line for it to be a "fair fight"! nothing is truly fair and both camps kno this...may capitalized first...and we all kno in chess the first move sometimes is the most important becuz it sets everything up later...so no i dont think may is "scared" of manny...may is scared of losing. so yu hav to "cheat" if yu wanna INSURE victory.. by planting the seed of weakness and doubt"-Your literally justifying mayweather cheating to gain an advantage in a fight. Your absolutely right I believe he would do anything to gain as much of an advantage he can in a fight. (Like what he did to Marquez, what he's doing to Pac). But dude thats ***** ****. Trying to do anything beforehand to keep the fight from being fair, as you readily admitted he does (despite the fact that he keeps screaming about how he just wants to fight on a "level playing field"). Pac, or more percisely Roach saying Floyds legs are gone is not the same as Floyd dragging Pacs name throught he mud with baseless steroid allegations.
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    Pac's lawyers asked if it was possibly to brush it under the carpet if Pac tested positive
     
  6. DavietheGreat

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    How do you know what Mayweather's motives are? This is just your opinion and you are trying to pass this along as fact.

    Their is at least a million people in the United States who defended Mark Mcgwire day in and day out like people defend Pacquiao. I wonder how those people feel today? I just hope this is not the case with Manny because it will really hurt boxing as a whole. That's why i think people really do not want this to come out if true. All parties involved with boxing will take a hit on this.
     
  7. TheJuggernaut

    TheJuggernaut Hitchslap Full Member

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    :patsch
     
  8. Prince

    Prince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd is not scared of Pacquiao. He probably does have a great deal of respect for him as a fighter but make no mistake, he is not scared of him.
     
  9. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Of course its my opinion, the whole post is. As for passing it off as fact, clearly it didn't get past you. Anyone who read that last paragraph as fact clearly needs to be examined.
     
  10. mughalmirza786

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    Perhaps i phrased the article a little too strongly, but what i meant to say is that mayweather is threatened by the prospect of pacquiao beating him whatever the PED use maybe. The reason is, if pacquiao was looking horrible in his fights the PEDS allegation would never have occured. Its precisely because hes doing something on an equal or greater basis than mayweather, which makes him feel threatened.
     
  11. bacontown

    bacontown New Member Full Member

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    Folks, this is boxing and everybody wants an advantage whether it be physical or mental. When Shane tried to get a fight with Manny, he agreed to everything Manny wanted and after he agreed Freddie Roach asked him to fight at 142lbs. This is after Manny had three fights at at least 145lbs. So don't pass blame for anybody trying to get an edge in any fight. Don't act like Floyd is the only one looking for and edge but at the end of the day you have to get in the ring and MAN THE **** UP.
     
  12. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao is the greater fighter at this point. No question.
     
  13. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The debate on who's ducking who or who's scared of who is getting real old. Bottom line both fighters have respect for one another. They both had clauses in the fight contract to makes sure neither fighter has the advantage over the other, one agreed the other didn't. Manny feels if Floyd comes in 3-5lbs heavier it can cause him to loose the fight, while Floyd feels if Pac comes in on roids it can cause him to loose. $10mil per pound and Floyd drug test should be enough to ease both guys fear of each other.
     
  14. Samski313

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    Mayweather
    - 84-6 Amateur record
    - National Gold Gloves Champion in 1993(106lb),1994(114lb)1996(125)
    - Won 1995 United States Amateur Championships
    - 1996 Olympic Bronze Medal Winner
    - 41-0 Professional Record
    - 5 weight Divisions champion 2xWW champion
    - 1998 and 2007 Fighter of the year
    - Ring Magazine #1 p4p fighter 2005- june of 2008
    - Current p4p#1 Yahoo Sports,Box Rec and BBC Sports
    - Ko'd Hatton made Genaro Hernandez quit on his stool for his first world title
    - Beat #1 WW and WW Champ Shane Mosley
    - #1 PPV Draw in Boxing
    - Founder of the Floyd Mayweather Foundation Charity
    - Part of Make a Wish Foundation
    - Feed the homeless and Give coats to under privileged kids during the winter
    - Grew up in poverty stricken Grand Rapids, Michigan


    Shall i go on?
     
  15. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ugh, see you're doing it too. Making bull**** up and labeling it as fact with regards to Pacquiao.

    McGwire admitted to using a banned steroid(which was legal in the US and MLB) in 98, had a book written by Canseco accusing him of using roids, and was subpoenaed by a grand jury regarding steroids.

    All those events are facts. Let me repeat that, those above are facts. Forming an opinion that McGwire was on roids is valid given the events he was involved in.

    Where are the facts/events that allow you to lump Pacquiao in along with McGwire? Show me the beef, er the facts!