"X can win on points, but if Y connects it is over"

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  1. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Common statement and it is a common fallacy.

    What does the classic forum make of it?
     
  2. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It applies to the big hitters vs boxer matchups. It's finishing ability that counts, not punching power and that's a main reason why the ko guys lose that big ko % when they have to fight top 10 competition. Elite competition doesn't get that why by having a history of getting ko'd, as does the C and B grade fighters.
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Billy Conn vs. Bob Foster at 175?
     
  4. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Call me ignorant if you like, but why is it a fallacy?
     
  5. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It applies to Manny Pacquiao vs Pipino Cuevas
     
  6. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    It's more of a cliché than a fallacy.
     
  7. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Ah, fair enough then.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It certainly isn't a fallacy, depending on the match-up.

    Two good forthcoming examples include Bradley-Abregu next month, and Sylvester-Karmazin tomorrow.

    In both cases, the superior boxer and prohibitive favorite to win a decision would have to be considered to be in major trouble if the puncher is able to land something clean with authority (especially true in these cases - where Sylvester's punch resistance is exacerbated by the wars he's been in, and Bradley is the much physically smaller man and already showed a little vulnerability against men his own size).
     
  9. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    I think it is a fallacy in the loose sense: the reasoning is incorrect.

    The reason would go like this:

    "X has big punch and thus if he lands on a weak chin he definitely wins".

    Nope. Does not work like that. Amir Khan can take a flush shot from Prescott if it lands on the correct spot (or incorrect spot, depending on who's perspective we are dealing with).
     
  10. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Roy Jones vs Bob Foster.
     
  11. Doc Dynamo

    Doc Dynamo Member Full Member

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    To be really accurate it should be "if Y connects in the right spot, at the right time of the fight/round and can follow up on it, it's over."

    Alos sometimes the slugger wins a decision by intimidating the boxer into passivity/defensiveness.
     
  12. Body Head

    Body Head East Side Rape (CEO) Full Member

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    that's a good one, but even still Roy Jones could get the knockout himself.
     
  13. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Ward/Green to a degree.
     
  14. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Exactly. I think that it is too much for most to follow.
     
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