Thoughts on Vitali vs Dragon

What you say is true.

But the point that Valdes was #1 over Charles for a long time when Rocky was champion is more important and factual. Understand? Why did the #1 contender never get a title shot in over a year???

I could care less if Ring Magazine flip-flopped Valdes and Charles because Charles was getting a re-match with Rocky. If Rocky had agreed to fight Valdes, I suspect they would have left Valdes at #1. I have never seen a #1 lose his spot without a loss...especially if he has already beaten the a guy below him.

And you know there are quite a few articles about Valdes not getting a shot. One was titled, "Valdes can't get near Marciano, not even in street clothes."

Now my turn. If Cockell was #3 and Slade was #4, don't you think the division lacked talent back then?

 

I wish you were in my poker game. You don't have a clue! It was you who brought up Marciano's name first here, not I.

My point was has their ever been a 39 year old champion who is being avoided and offering million dollar pay days.

JT brought up Archie Moore, then you mentioned Marciano.....rewind the tape.

 

He didn't had to dance. He kept the distance for most of the fight, but Sosnowski did a good job in the first half of the bout. He was very active, mobile and balancing. This is the reason why Vitaly looked slow - not because he has terrible footwork, but Albert looked very good.

Keeping distance, economy, ring generalship, timing, shoulder blocking punches...Suzie you must be really Vitaly hater

Disagree. He isn't Ali, but he is well all-around swarming boxer. He has solid basics, something that top 20 heavyweights often lack today.

Because Albert was fighting well. As Sosnowski said after the fight, "I started tiring and started to make mistakes - Vitaly executed them like a professor.

You prefer Kevin Johnson who was on a bicykle, Arreola who didn't land nothing on Vitaly or fat Peter? Sosnowski showed heart and motivation, for this is what real boxing fans are respecting.

 

Wrong, when you are #1, you have earned your shot. You could say that Rocky simply waited for Valdes to lose. Valdes beat Chalres. It was not fair to Charles to get a re-match again, when Valdes was still #1 for over a year.

Cockel then #3, and moving to #2 by default. HA! Weak time line.

 

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Technically speaking Fat Kirk got as high as 3, in May 2001, he lost to Ruiz after that but Ruiz is widely acknowledgabled to have cheated

 

Again, Valdes was #1 for over a year. I think he deserved a shot. Rocky did not offer one. There is no way around this.

The fact that ring Magazine opted to flip flop #1 and #2 after Marciano picked Charles again who had already been beaten by Valdes is a not one of Ring Magazine's better moments.

We see this in modern times with alphabet organizations giving bogus #1 rankings to fighters getting title shots. It does not mean they deserved that rank, and to use this as a fall back defense is rather weak. Clearly you would not defend such a move in modern times. Stop with the double standards.

And with that, have a great weekend. :good

 

The point I'm making is he got to number and didn't lose by fair means

Tyson and Vitali were by all accounts planning a fight to fight Tyson but Tyson lost to Williams

The bad thing about Vitali's career is the amount of time it took him to step up, until he fought Lennox 7years into his career the only contenders he faced were Byrd, Donald, Bean, Hide. I'm not sure any were top10 when he faced them

Forumites assume match making is about balls, when its more about politics.

1. Vitali was a cash cow from early on, he could get away with fighting lower tier opponents and making plenty of money
2. Plenty will have avoided Vitali, he's a nightmare to fight
3. Vitali's promoter probably didn't want to risk his cash cow early on

All that been said Vitali hasn't faced enough top contenders, the 1s he has faced hes dominated in impressive fashion, the manner of domination is note worthy

 

I can't believe Mendoza attacks the **** out of Marciano contender defense wise yet excuses Holmes for his umpteen blemishes, ffs.